Re: 3 Prime Suspects Identified

by Monty Heck 18.01.14 21:07

Newintown wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
marconi wrote:The McCanns were immediately protected by ambassador, consul, Brown, Blair, the media.
A completely different story. My theory is that if Madeleine would have disappeared in Rothley, the parents would be now behind bars, no consul, no ambassador , no media circus,unless Labour would have put pressure on the police in England.
Besides, Mikaeel was not exactly white and that makes the difference too.

I don't believe Mikaeel race makes any difference.
Show respect for Mikaeel FFS, he's a child like any others.
No need to whip up racism hysteria.
The community regardless of race, language, or religion were involved in the search.
The Police brilliant handling of the case and its officers heart wrenching reaction when body was found show no discrimination.

The biggest difference is Mikaeel's mum did not court or manipulate the press.
Did not cry crocodile tears on TV - "Lying Game - Crimes that fooled the Nation" ?
Did not reach out to Prime Ministers
Did not abuse friends and connections
Did not beg for money by putting up collection boxes
Did not hire "professional" mouthpiece
Did not set up fighting Fund
Did not hire the most expensive lawyers in the land

You've got to grant the Mccanns their cunningness of character to have the foresight to cover all grounds against eventuality of arrest.
The Mccanns are sly manipulative pair who abused friendship and connections to meet their end; and proved they've become professional at lying.
Their propensity to lie knows no bound, as evidenced when they refused to take down Tannerman despite Police having eliminated him.
They got the extent of help because they courted it from the outset that set in motion the chain of help, not because of who they are, but what they are.

re: the sentences in red: No doubt all the police forces around the World have learnt from the circus the McCanns created with regard to a missing child - the police have learnt a lesson and that is not to let the obvious "suspects" run the police investigation and manipulate the press to their own advantage, IMO.

The police in this incident seemed to have taken control from the outset and did not let things get out of hand with regard to media speculation and family spokespersons saying whatever they wanted in front of "hunger for stories" journalists.

The McCs seemed to profit hugely from the cultural differences between the UK and Portugal which seemed to be exploited beyond the nth degree. On the one hand was the bemused GNR who believed they were looking at a child woke and wandered scenario, and then the PJ with their judicial silence stance. On the other was the rabid press pack cunningly whipped up to a feeding frenzy from the very first day.

Two very much opposed forces and the PJ were outmanoevered from the start on the publicity front with "a spokesman" "a family member" etc being used to front the publicity machine. The PJ would be aware that in the UK in cases such as this publicity was permitted which is maybe why they acquiesced, perhaps without knowing that in the UK it would never under any circumstances have been led by the victim's family. So many things were put down to cultural differences, such as the "everyone does it" approach to child neglect.

It is impossible not to conclude McCs and their advisors seized on and exploited these differences of approach for their own ends, and that the results were disruptive to the investigation. The constant press presence hindering an early reconstruction of events and the release of the coloboma picture and poster must have caused complete despair. Such goings on would would never have been permitted to a Portuguese family but the PJ were powerless in the face of the juggernaut that could access even the Pope. But, if the intention of all the publicity was, as stated, to Bring Madeleine Home, everything that was done off the McC's own back failed to bring results and left them a legacy of over 6 years of media and internet speculation which they are still fighting on many fronts. From the beginning the child was failed by these irresponsible and misguided actions and above all by those who supported, condoned or faciltated the PR campaign. Perhaps one day they will see that and regret their actions

by jeanmonroe 18.01.14 21:11

You've got to grant the Mccanns their cunningness of character to have the foresight to cover all grounds against eventuality of arrest.
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Not quite all the grounds, i suggest.

They didn't forsee the OC manager and PJ saying 'the shutters weren't tampered with' and had to change 'entry through unlocked patio door then'

They didn't forsee the PJ releasing the 'files' into the public domain almost at the same time they got them.

They didn't forsee their 'lies' being ruthlessly highlighted by people only interested in justice for Madeleine.

They didn't forsee forums springing up dedicated to 'helping' them to try to find out what happened to their daughter.

They didn't forsee that all of the people, all of the time, would NOT believe every word they uttered.

by Rasputin 18.01.14 21:16

jeanmonroe wrote:You've got to grant the Mccanns their cunningness of character to have the foresight to cover all grounds against eventuality of arrest.
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Not quite all the grounds, i suggest.

They didn't forsee the OC manager and PJ saying 'the shutters weren't tampered with' and had to change 'entry through unlocked patio door then'

They didn't forsee the PJ releasing the 'files' into the public domain almost at the same time they got them.

They didn't forsee their 'lies' being ruthlessly highlighted by people only interested in justice for Madeleine.

They didn't forsee forums springing up dedicated to 'helping' them to try to find out what happened to their daughter.

They didn't forsee that all of the people, all of the time, would NOT believe every word they uttered.

And they certainly didn't see what Eddie and keela were going to alert to either !

by J4MM 18.01.14 21:52

Something appears to have been overlooked by the advocates of the burglar theory.

If we were to go into any prison and accuse the burglars therein of 'child abduction', we may not get out in one piece. Conversely, child abductors would not appreciate being labelled 'burglars', who are considered to be lowlife by the criminal fraternity.

Burglars, on the whole, would be housed on a 'main' prison wing; child abductors would be housed on the 'VP' (vulnerable prisoners) wing, and never the twain shall meet.

by sonic72 19.01.14 2:27

SY are taking they're time arresting these three potential burglar chaps?!!

'About to arrest' they said, that was a good few days ago. They have them identified, so what is the hold up?!

Aah, maybe it was all just spin after all.

by ultimaThule 19.01.14 3:29

From PeterMac's explanation of the rigorous manner in which the respective Colleges of Abduction and Burglary maintain strict division between their two professions, I suspect serious umbrage has been taken at the tales circulating in the media which have defamed current students, graduates, and old ~~lags~~ masters alike, sonic.

It could be that any delay has been caused by the 3 burglars being in the process of instructing solicitors to issue writs for libel against whoever is responsible for giving these stories to the press.

If I was a burglar I'd want to clear my name and reputation ~~and collect a pile of dosh by way of damages~~ so that there could no doubt about my professional integrity before meeting with any one who might suggest otherwise. yes

by **tigger** 19.01.14 6:21

jeanmonroe wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
The careers 'advisor' at my old school says, strangely, that 'professional child abductor' is not listed as 'a future career choice/path'!
You have to be an Associate of the Royal Imperial College of Abductors to call yourself "professional". ARICA
With Fellowship and full Membership - FRICA and MRICA following after suitable practical experience under proper supervision by a pupil master, and the carrying out of at least five successful abductions.
There is a similar but in some ways a rival College, the Royal Imperial College of Burglars which is allowed by Charter to admit people to their ranks. Thus ARICB, FRICB and MRICB

In the same way that Solicitors may not be members of the English Bar, and vice versa, it is not possible for one person to be affiliated to both Colleges at the same time,
and indeed the professional code strictly forbids Burglars from Abducting, or Abductors from taking valuables.
Only in this way are professional standards maintained.
It is however permissible, as in the law, for a Burglar and an Abductor to act together, provided that their respective roles are clearly understood.
I hope this makes things clear.

So, professional Burglars are not allowed, under their code of ethics, to abduct children, and professional Abductors, under their code of ethics, are not allowed to steal, watches, passports, cameras, money, jewellery or indeed anything 'of value', in fact.

Phew, glad that's been made clear, otherwise you'd might have a case of Burglars doing an abductors 'job' and 'abducting' sleeping children from their beds.

And that just wouldn't do, would it?

I think you'd like the city of Ankh Morpork where the patrician ruling the city has instituted guilds such as:
The Assassins guild
The thieves guild
The beggar's guild
The clown's guild
Etc.

The respective guilds are allowed a set number of crimes per year. The head of the guild is severely punished if e.g. the quota is exceeded. So many murders a year, not more than 5000 dollars robbed p.a. Etc.
Leading to muggers giving back money to the victim if the victim is carrying more than the thieves' personal quota.

The patrician, Lord Vetinary also believes in 'one man - one vote'. He is that man.... big grin

by bobbin 19.01.14 9:08

jeanmonroe wrote:this 'expert'.. http://news.sky.com/story/1196614/missing-mikaeel-could-not-have-left-alone

Whoever heard of a professional child abductor!
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The careers 'advisor' at my old school says, strangely, that 'professional child abductor' is not listed as 'a future career choice/path'!

Well i never!

Your careers adviser must have told you this before May 3rd, 2007. He needs to keep up to date.

It is in fact one of the easiest and MOST PROFITABLE career paths to follow.

Just dye your ginger hair dark brown, catch yourself a blonde Moll, adopt a harsh glaswegian accent and GO for it.

Nothing will stop you, no one will reprimand you, ALL will be in awe of you and praise you for your amassed fortune.

There will be riots in the street if a single hair on your head is touched by anyone from the world's news-media making an adverse comment against your unquestionned acts and unquestionable skills.

It's got to be a better career than the ten year training programme to become a 'mere scrubber of mouths after dirty lies have been told'. sarcastic

by Jemmied_Shatter 19.01.14 9:49

bobbin wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:this 'expert'.. http://news.sky.com/story/1196614/missing-mikaeel-could-not-have-left-alone

Whoever heard of a professional child abductor!
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The careers 'advisor' at my old school says, strangely, that 'professional child abductor' is not listed as 'a future career choice/path'!

Well i never!

Your careers adviser must have told you this before May 3rd, 2007. He needs to keep up to date.

It is in fact one of the easiest and MOST PROFITABLE career paths to follow.

Just dye your ginger hair dark brown, catch yourself a blonde Moll, adopt a harsh glaswegian accent and GO for it.

According to the daily hate mail this is how many of them see the first rung on the laddehttp://jacksonblog.dailymail.co.uk/2011/12/cash-strapped-students-going-on-the-game-dont-hold-the-front-page.html
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Nothing will stop you, no one will reprimand you, ALL will be in awe of you and praise you for your amassed fortune.

There will be riots in the street if a single hair on your head is touched by anyone from the world's news-media making an adverse comment against your unquestionned acts and unquestionable skills.

It's got to be a better career than the ten year training programme to become a 'mere scrubber of mouths after dirty lies have been told'.

by russiandoll 19.01.14 9:53

wonder if there was a burglar in 5a, whilst rooting around for valuables, one came across a sight which shocked him, he ran out of there and there was frantic contact between him and his accomplices, busy nearby, to ask what the hell he should do following his discovery and the answer was do nothing?
e.g. he had opened a wardrobe door ?

just suggesting a scenario which might fit in a burglar and a body.

by mysterion 19.01.14 10:41

I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

by notlongnow 19.01.14 10:55

The only way i could see burglars being involved is the same as tractorman.
Someone with local knowledge of petty criminals paid them to move a body.

by Hongkong Phooey 19.01.14 11:27

mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

There's little evidence of any 'fleeing the scene', doors closed etc.

by **PeterMac** 19.01.14 11:30

Hongkong Phooey wrote:
There's little evidence of any 'fleeing the scene', doors closed etc.

And even less of "Entering the scene" !!

by Guest 19.01.14 12:50

PeterMac wrote:
Hongkong Phooey wrote:
There's little evidence of any 'fleeing the scene', doors closed etc.
And even less of "Entering the scene" !!

Or handling Cuddle Cat@ a/o putting on Kate's pants

by Research_Reader 19.01.14 12:59

Its amazing really that Kate and Gerry were even able to push past all the assembled crowds of gypsies, burglars, dodgy-tractor-drivers, cleaners and assorted suspicious swarthy Mediterranean-types milling around outside their apartment door.

by Guest 19.01.14 13:07

Research_Reader wrote:Its amazing really that Kate and Gerry were even able to push past all the assembled crowds of gypsies, burglars, dodgy-tractor-drivers, cleaners and assorted suspicious swarthy Mediterranean-types milling around outside their apartment door.

chased by wild dogs, and even blooded by them to booth

by mysterion 19.01.14 13:18

Well GM did say he wasn`t there for fun.

by Jemmied_Shatter 19.01.14 16:03

This is becoming a bit of a bad joke. I believe that if there were any suspects of interest then they are also wanted for other crimes.
AR Right team of detectives. Here's everything we have outstanding in Portugal, The PM has given us a special budget to find the McCanns daughter lets turn our attention to the rest first because all of us know that the abduction line is tosh and we are never going to get the truth out of anybody in this country. Just give me a few titbits to throw to the press or crimewatch.

new

by aiyoyo 19.01.14 16:17

tigger wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
The careers 'advisor' at my old school says, strangely, that 'professional child abductor' is not listed as 'a future career choice/path'!
You have to be an Associate of the Royal Imperial College of Abductors to call yourself "professional". ARICA
With Fellowship and full Membership - FRICA and MRICA following after suitable practical experience under proper supervision by a pupil master, and the carrying out of at least five successful abductions.
There is a similar but in some ways a rival College, the Royal Imperial College of Burglars which is allowed by Charter to admit people to their ranks. Thus ARICB, FRICB and MRICB

In the same way that Solicitors may not be members of the English Bar, and vice versa, it is not possible for one person to be affiliated to both Colleges at the same time,
and indeed the professional code strictly forbids Burglars from Abducting, or Abductors from taking valuables.
Only in this way are professional standards maintained.
It is however permissible, as in the law, for a Burglar and an Abductor to act together, provided that their respective roles are clearly understood.
I hope this makes things clear.

So, professional Burglars are not allowed, under their code of ethics, to abduct children, and professional Abductors, under their code of ethics, are not allowed to steal, watches, passports, cameras, money, jewellery or indeed anything 'of value', in fact.

Phew, glad that's been made clear, otherwise you'd might have a case of Burglars doing an abductors 'job' and 'abducting' sleeping children from their beds.

And that just wouldn't do, would it?

I think you'd like the city of Ankh Morpork where the patrician ruling the city has instituted guilds such as:
The Assassins guild
The thieves guild
The beggar's guild
The clown's guild
Etc.

The respective guilds are allowed a set number of crimes per year. The head of the guild is severely punished if e.g. the quota is exceeded. So many murders a year, not more than 5000 dollars robbed p.a. Etc.
Leading to muggers giving back money to the victim if the victim is carrying more than the thieves' personal quota.

The patrician, Lord Vetinary also believes in 'one man - one vote'. He is that man....

It would be interesting to look at members list and members rank of "The McLiars Guild"

Kate Mccann - Guild Master
Gerry Mccann - Grand Council
Jane Tanner - Affiliate
David Payne - Champion
Russell O'Brien - Officer
Matthew Oldfield - Raider
Fiona Payne - Deputy
Rachel Oldfield - Probation
Diane Webster - New Recruit
Clarence Mitchell - Chairman
?
?
?
?

by watendlath 20.01.14 6:19

mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

by Mirage 20.01.14 12:30

watendlath wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

And what better place to start than Edinburgh where the police are doing a textbook job? They sent a Springer Spaniel in yesterday. I don't imagine it was there for the good of its health.

The big question is: why is a sniffer dog used in Edinburgh; yet in London, the findings of the sniffer dogs in PdL remain hidden under a pile of unreconstructed piffle about three burglars. Also, why the big build up to a "revelatory moment" on CW with unprecedented trailers and then, tah-dah......... a big fat nothing? I have never known any investigating police force to ramp up public expectation to these levels, let alone disappear off the radar after a major appeal. Factor in the failure to order the Mcs to remove the eliminated Tannerman from their website (remember, they are currently suing GA for 1.2 million euros for hindering the search) and what can anyone say but this is truly astonishing stuff. Meanwhile the public is paying for this to the tune of millions while the Mcs continue begging the public for money. What's going on?

by bobbin 20.01.14 12:49

Mirage wrote:
watendlath wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

And what better place to start than Edinburgh where the police are doing a textbook job? They sent a Springer Spaniel in yesterday. I don't imagine it was there for the good of its health.

The big question is: why is a sniffer dog used in Edinburgh; yet in London, the findings of the sniffer dogs in PdL remain hidden under a pile of unreconstructed piffle about three burglars. Also, why the big build up to a "revelatory moment" on CW with unprecedented trailers and then, tah-dah......... a big fat nothing? I have never known any investigating police force to ramp up public expectation to these levels, let alone disappear off the radar after a major appeal. Factor in the failure to order the Mcs to remove the eliminated Tannerman from their website (remember, they are currently suing GA for 1.2 million euros for hindering the search) and what can anyone say but this is truly astonishing stuff. Meanwhile the public is paying for this to the tune of millions while the Mcs continue begging the public for money. What's going on?

That's the essential ingredient in this porky pie.
'IF' the McCs remove the fictitious spannerman, then their case against Gonçalo Amaral, has NO base.
It is critical to their claim that an abduction occurred and that the PJ etc. have wrongly implied that M is dead, and hence the failure to search and the following PAIN and AGONY of losing their cash cow fund.
No, until the libel case is over, the McCs have to hang on to this tooth and nail, till grim death do them part (with spannerman's image).

by Liz Eagles 20.01.14 12:50

Mirage wrote:
watendlath wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

And what better place to start than Edinburgh where the police are doing a textbook job? They sent a Springer Spaniel in yesterday. I don't imagine it was there for the good of its health.

The big question is: why is a sniffer dog used in Edinburgh; yet in London, the findings of the sniffer dogs in PdL remain hidden under a pile of unreconstructed piffle about three burglars. Also, why the big build up to a "revelatory moment" on CW with unprecedented trailers and then, tah-dah......... a big fat nothing? I have never known any investigating police force to ramp up public expectation to these levels, let alone disappear off the radar after a major appeal. Factor in the failure to order the Mcs to remove the eliminated Tannerman from their website (remember, they are currently suing GA for 1.2 million euros for hindering the search) and what can anyone say but this is truly astonishing stuff. Meanwhile the public is paying for this to the tune of millions while the Mcs continue begging the public for money. What's going on?

Perhaps Scotland Yard have run out of springer spaniels and are favouring an Old English sheepdog whose area of expertise lies in the medium of paint.

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by Mirage 20.01.14 12:57

aquila wrote:
Mirage wrote:
watendlath wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

And what better place to start than Edinburgh where the police are doing a textbook job? They sent a Springer Spaniel in yesterday. I don't imagine it was there for the good of its health.

The big question is: why is a sniffer dog used in Edinburgh; yet in London, the findings of the sniffer dogs in PdL remain hidden under a pile of unreconstructed piffle about three burglars. Also, why the big build up to a "revelatory moment" on CW with unprecedented trailers and then, tah-dah......... a big fat nothing? I have never known any investigating police force to ramp up public expectation to these levels, let alone disappear off the radar after a major appeal. Factor in the failure to order the Mcs to remove the eliminated Tannerman from their website (remember, they are currently suing GA for 1.2 million euros for hindering the search) and what can anyone say but this is truly astonishing stuff. Meanwhile the public is paying for this to the tune of millions while the Mcs continue begging the public for money. What's going on?
Perhaps Scotland Yard have run out of springer spaniels and are favouring an Old English sheepdog whose area of expertise lies in the medium of paint.

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