OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

russiandoll wrote:The release simultaneously to various media and CM tweeting at this time ?

 That has PR because the libel trial is a shambles written all over it.

I agree. During the PJ investigation Gerry said in an interview that they were going to try to influence and control the investigation. What they seem to be doing now is trying to influence the British because it looks like they have been defeated and rightly so. They are probably trying to wring more money out of the public to recoup the losses.
are defeated. It's damage limitation time now.

Ollie1 wrote:

russiandoll wrote:The release simultaneously to various media and CM tweeting at this time ?

 That has PR because the libel trial is a shambles written all over it.

I agree. During the PJ investigation Gerry said in an interview that they were going to try to influence and control the investigation. What they seem to be doing now is trying to influence the British because it looks like they have been defeated and rightly so. They are probably trying to wring more money out of the public to recoup the losses.
are defeated. It's damage limitation time now.

The BBC are very obliging aren't they.

If the whole UK is warned that the McCanns will make a reconstruction and that they will be present at the next Crimewatch, they can not refuse it.
In 2008 they refused it because they wanted an useful reconstruction that would be made public, helping to fiding Madeleine.
A reconstruction only for the PJ was of no use.
Thank goodness they will get what they asked for: the yard will broadcast it, hahahahahah!

during a live show!

Well in an earlier post i asked the question what will happen if / when Amaral wins?  surly SY would have to change there stance ? ..... Well now we know don't we . 

 There is collusion at the highest level , this 40 odd suspects or whatever , insults intelligence . and is an insult to the current trial in Portugal , and an insult to there justice system . 

 The only phone records that need checking are the Tapas group and Gerry and Kate . 

 It is a familiar story . Northern and shell [ the Star ] send Lawson [ imo had his mortgage payed by the fund for the next ten years !! ] , Northern and shell's Express get the front page scoop's .

 The British police as expected, are just pretending the trial is not happening , the British press are not reporting both sides just soundbites . 

 Now it's crimewatches turn , they will make the reconstruction fit don't you worry about that . It will be interesting to flag the consistency's up though .

ShuBob wrote:Perhaps, the Tapas 9 have given new statements?

It is what I believe and that is why the Yard got that far. I mean Tapas 7.

ShuBob wrote:     Perhaps, the Tapas 9 have given new statements?
__________________________________________________________________

DAVID PAYNE HAS 'GRASSED UP' THE MCCANN'S, in my opinion.

Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood, who is heading what has been called Operation Grange, said: "The review has given us new thinking, new theories, new evidence and new witnesses."

NEW EVIDENCE?

From OLD witnesses?

DP Rog:
1485 ”Is there ANYTHING that you consider PERTINENT or RELEVANT to ESTABLISH THE MATERIAL TRUTH?

DAVID PAYNE Reply ”Err the, there are a few things but I don’t think this is the right forum for bringing those up.”

Super, duper, Andy's 37 ELITE Cops would not have 'missed' that GEM, would they?

DAVID PAYNE:

'ERR THE, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT FORUM FOR BRINGING THOSE UP'

I wonder WHAT the 'FEW THINGS' (plural) are that DP could not bring up?

Anyone KNOW?

I think that the Portuguese reporter knew about Crimewatch, that's why he talked about the coming days.

I don't believe that the McCanns will be present at that show. I believe that the case will be solved before the 14th.
At any moment.

So the McCann's phones were quiet throughout their holiday, and then, BOOM loads of activity on their phones on the Wednesday, the day before Maddie was supposedly 'abducted'.

It's the calls the McCanns made on the Wednesday that need further scrutiny!

Dear Scotland Yard, stop wasting tax payer's money looking at phone records of people that are nothing to do with this case. Please do start looking at the McCann's phone records from the day before Maddie vanished...

Surely SY cannot be so stupid not to see the odd pattern in the McCann's phone records?! It's a smoking gun imo...

WAKE UP!!!

Linked to my 'reconstruction' post on page 5.


J WILKINS instead of Hewlett?

after calmly analyzing the news, I ask you:

please try to trust the yard. they know what they are doing.
they need those smoke and mirrors to cover up something.   if it was in favour of the couple, the PJ would not have accepted it.
it is an investigation and Tapas 9 can not refuse to going to Praia da Luz, for the reconstruction. They will have to, it is the law.

Imo,it is the reason why Gerry looks so devastated.  He knew it already.
And Kate evaporated.
And Amaral is looking so well.

It is all about justice for Madeleine.   Are we asking too much?

all IMO

don't know what to think really.

Mr. A. giving thumbs up going into court

Isabel losing her rag big time by the sound of it

Was it on Joana's blog last week - Why is Mr. really in Portugal?

I cannot believe that Mr. A. and his team would not know about a possible reconstruction.  They must still have links with the police in Portugal, but they have looked very relaxed in photos.

Why did Mr. suddenly ask to give evidence and why has the judge put off her decision until 10th October?

Also Mr. A. has aked to give evidence apparently.

All very baffling and I cannot make head nor tail of any of it.

Edited to add - we also saw posted that any evidence given at the libel hearing would be recorded and could be used in any criminal case and that the judge would do any questioning of any witnesses she allows as a result of late requests.

Yes, very baffling.

We still haven't heard anything about the dig in Murat's mother's house which is going to be watched by 1 billion people over a week?

Why was that suddenly announced and then nothing?

Murat - Bring them all back to Portugal headlines in the Express

All very difficult to fit in and get a feel for what is going on.

according to redwood, the Yard was working backwards.
they finally arrived at the Ocean Club, imo.
That is why they want the reconstruction to be made: this week they will arrive at May the 3rd,  or they arrived already, the reconstruction will take place.
The abductor hidden behind the door, according to Gerry, jumping out if the window, being seeing by Jane, the stain on the pyjama   and compare 2 men with a child, one of them being Gerry (Smiths).
Imo the reconstruction is possibly being made this week-end, because people have jobs.

Who knows it happened yesterday and the rest today, that is why the hearing will be tomorrow, Saturday.

The day before yesterday, Wednesday, Gerry arrived in Lisbon pulling a bag, and I wonder if he went from Lisbon straight to Faro. According to myself, he had no bag with him  the weeks before.

All IMO.

Hi folks



Madeleine McCann inquiry focuses on mobile phone data
Madeleine's parents to make appeal on Crimewatch as British detectives cross-reference phone records against other evidence
You may want to check this article in the latest Guardian. I does appear to be a significant development.

Guardian 4th October.

British detectives say the key to Madeleine McCann's disappearance could emerge from a "targeted attack" on mobile phone data from thousands of people who were around the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz at the moment she went missing.
The line of investigation was disclosed as it was announced that Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate, would appear on the BBC's Crimewatch programme with the British detective in charge of the case.
The programme will broadcast a reconstruction of the events before Madeleine disappeared and the McCanns will make an appeal for anyone who was in the resort at the time, and has yet to come forward, to contact police.
Similar appeals will be broadcast in Germany, the Netherlands and Ireland.
The "footprints" from the phones of holidaymakers, staff and local people who were in the vicinity of the McCanns' holiday apartment in Praia da Luz when the three-year-old disappeared in May 2007 are being examined and cross-referenced with other information coming into the British inquiry team, officers have said.
Forty-one individuals from several countries including the UK are being investigated as persons of interest by the Metropolitan police, and official requests for assistance have been sent to 31 countries including Portugal to identify other people whose mobile footprints have emerged in the sifting and resifting of tens of thousands of documents, communications data and eyewitness statements.
The new British investigation began as part of a £5m review of all the evidence after an appeal for help by Madeleine's parents to David Cameron.
It is not known how many of the 41 individuals – among them 15 Britons – are considered suspects.
Many are people who need to be questioned in order to be eliminated from the inquiry. But detectives are known to have uncovered new leads and theories about what happened to Madeleine while her parents were eating a meal with friends at a restaurant in the resort.
It is known that some of the people of interest are sex offenders who were in the area at the time.Police will analyse mobile phone data to track any calls that might have been made from the resort to others outside it, as they investigate whether there was any kind of ring involved in the girl's suspected abduction.
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the investigation, said the analysis of mobile phone data originally collected by the Portuguese had gone beyond the stage of a general trawl, and was now being cross-referenced with other information.
His team have been cross-referencing tens of thousands of documents, communications data and witness statements from the Portuguese investigation, from eight private detectives and from the Leicestershire force.
"The mobile phone data is a substantial amount of data and a significant amount of it is unattributed. Putting this with layers and layers of other information, we are carrying out a targeted attack on the information. We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. It is like pulling back the layers of an onion. Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.
Six detectives in Portugal are working with the Met and making inquiries on their behalf. But the plan to send a team of Met officers to work out of Portugal has yet to be acted upon, as delicate negotiations continue with the Portuguese authorities, who closed their investigation and have refused all appeals to reopen it.

Cristobell wrote:Well the crimewatch reconstruction should be interesting!  Hope Jane has a starring role.

Not done in PDL, and T9 not involved in the reconstruction, that much is certain.
To be ready to air it shortly in 4 countries, the filming involving actors was done a while ago.

Mccanns standing/sitting side by side with Redwood doing the appeal would suggest they were kept updated of reconstruction & Crimewatch programme.
Does this explain Kate & Gerry gaunt, haunted, smirk, seething, apprehensive (take your subjective pick) look in Lisbon recently?
Portuguese journalist pointed questions (referring to SY investigation) to Gerry outside Court would suggest Portugal press agency knew about this development.

Not so GREAT Britain! Not so GREAT.

The whole  world will be LAUGHING at us. Very embarrassing!

 

All because of the Mau Canos !!!! (McCanns)
(Mau means BAD) not sure what cano means, saw it in Joana Morais funny comment.

See, they're all filling up their pockets!! Bunch of thieves.

sharonl wrote:I suppose that Paul Peachey thinks that we should be impressed by big numbers.  Doesn't he realise that after all this time the UKs top police force should have narrowed down their search to one suspect in one country.  Now we are up to thousands of people in 31 countries.

What he has told us here is that after all this time, Scotland Yard are totally clueless as to what may have happened to Madeleine, they give no credibility to Edgars' theory, and they are just going around in circles not really focussed on what they are doing.

They are widening the radius considerably beyond PDL stretching into 4 countries on that side of the continent. Did they ever think of crossing the channel or too much water in their way?

Why is Redwood appealing (warning) people so that they can start deleting their calls and texts if they haven't?
6 years is hell of  a l ong time to keep records even by telecom companies.

Hello Mr Redwood, I was not in PDL in 2007 and don't own a mobile. You can eliminate me, that leaves how many more to eliminate?

quote Tony Bennett :   "  ETA:  The Daily Express report says that Dr Gerald and Dr Kate McCann will be in Praia da Luz to help with a reconstruction of the events of 3 May 2007, ahead of the Crimewatch Madeleine McCann appeal which will apparently be shown on Monday 4 October "


 this should read 14th and while there was mention of the pair being in PdL on twitter late last night, there is nothing in the Express online with this info you have quoted Tony, where and when did you read this? I posted when I saw the twitter discussion that it seemed the pair would be filmed in PdL, but think this is an error.

 I would have expected that SY software would be used to create a reconstruction then actors used to act it out. It seems useless for just the McCanns to talk through their own and friends' movements, and there is no mention of the rest of the crew doing this re-enactment.

 All very strange, the way this has been timed to coincide exactly with the libel trial being in full swing.

 I would have expected

Wasn't that the information the Brits did not want to give the Portuguese?

from Sky News  4th October.

By Ian Woods, Senior Correspondent   [ bold mine]

Scotland Yard detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007 are analysing the mobile phone details of everyone who was in the Portuguese holiday resort from where she disappeared. [ that must include the tapas 9 then?]
They are set to reveal new information about the hunt for the missing girl in a televised appeal in 10 days.
There are around three dozen British police officers working on what has been designated Operation Grange, but the officers leading the investigation say there has been increasing cooperation with the authorities in Portugal. 
Six Portuguese police officers based in Faro have been appointed to liaise with officers in London. 
The Metropolitan Police stress that they are "professional and committed" and were not involved in the original investigation, which remains closed.   [ an implicit criticism of the original investigation here?]
Assistant Commissioners Mark Rowley and Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood are also sending formal International Letters Of Request to 30 other countries asking for assistance with their inquiry, reflecting the range of nationalities likely to have been in the town on May 3, 2007. 
Detectives want to cross reference mobile phone data with other lines of inquiry, especially with individuals they have previously identified as "persons of interest". [ so, scrutiny outside the tapas 9 as AR has clearly stated that they are not persons of interest]
Madeleine was three-years-old when she vanished from her parents' rented apartment in the Algarve seaside town of Praia Da Luz. 
The Portuguese authorities closed their investigation after initially investigating her parents Kate and Gerry as possible suspects. 
The Home Office agreed to order a review of the case by the Metropolitan Police and in July it became a full blown investigation.
Officers have been looking into the backgrounds of 41 individuals, 15 of whom are UK nationals. 


Assistant Commissioner Rowley said three of these British citizens are on the verge of being eliminated from the inquiry.
It is a huge undertaking requiring extensive international cooperation. 
The phone data has always been available, and some of it has been examined before, but the trawl through thousands of phone numbers is the most thorough yet undertaken. 
DCI Redwood said the phone records could be the key to solving the mystery and he that it is not a "general trawl" for information but a "targeted attack" on possible key numbers.
"We've got a data set of phone traffic. Within that phone traffic you can see we've got some of those numbers we can attribute to people, but a large number of them we can't. So in a targeted way, we're trying to say in a particular moment in time, that is around the moment of opportunity, who's there."
"What we're trying to do is to use every route available to us to identify as many of them as possible and the phone data is one route into that, as are appeals. If you were in Praia da Luz at the time, you may get a routine phone call from the police."
The Metropolitan Police team say they have collated 39,148 documents from previous inquiries by both the Portuguese authorities, and eight different teams of private detectives hired by the McCanns.
So far 21,614 have been processed. Some 4,920 of those have necessitated follow up action and 2,123 lines of inquiry have been completed.
The new lines of inquiry will be publicised in a BBC Crimewatch programme on Monday, October 14. 
The police will not confirm if new photo-fits or artist impressions of possible suspects will be issued, but there will be a reconstruction of events in Praia Da Luz, and Madeleine's parents will be interviewed during the programme. 
Mr Rowley said: "It's important to stress, the Crimewatch appeal is not simply 'this is a live investigation has anyone got any information?' It is more than that. There is new information not previously presented. Fresh, substantive material upon which to make an appeal."
The McCanns will be accompanied by DCI Redwood, making it the first time the couple have made an appeal for information alongside an investigating officer. 
Every other public appeal they have made during the past six years has been on their own initiative.  [ this one has not, so invited, advised by SY it would seem]
Press conferences in the days immediately after their daughter's disappearance were not organised by friends and advisers rather than the Portuguese Judicial Police. [ not appears to be an error here ]
It will be a symbolic moment in the long inquiry , with Kate and Gerry McCann, once labelled "aguidos" in Portugal, and investigated as possible suspects, now officially supported by detectives investigating the case.
DCI Redwood said: "I have no reason to be anything other than confident in the McCanns. They have been thoroughly supportive of our inquiry and our relationship is very strong."
There will be similar appeals on TV programmes in Germany and the Netherlands, reflecting the high number of tourists from those countries who were in Praia Da Luz when Madeleine went missing.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the investigation, said the analysis of mobile phone data originally collected by the Portuguese had gone beyond the stage of a general trawl, and was now being cross-referenced with other information.
His team have been cross-referencing tens of thousands of documents, communications data and witness statements from the Portuguese investigation, from eight private detectives and from the Leicestershire force.


"The mobile phone data is a substantial amount of data and a significant amount of it is unattributed. Putting this with layers and layers of other information, we are carrying out a targeted attack on the information. We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. [i]It is like pulling back the layers of an onion[/b] Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.
Six detectives in Portugal are working with the Met and making inquiries on their behalf. But the plan to send a team of Met officers to work out of Portugal has yet to be acted upon, as delicate negotiations continue with the Portuguese authorities, who closed their investigation and have refused all appeals to reopen it.

Eight private detectives? Who's the unknown one?

Peeling an ONION? CRIMSON coloured one I suppose!

Will Redwood arrive at the core, and when?

"What we're trying to do is to use every route available to us to identify as many of them as possible and the phone data is one route into that, as are appeals. If you were in Praia da Luz at the time, you may get a routine phone call from the police."

The T9 were in PDL at the time. Will each of them get a ROUTINE phone call from Redwood?

Whilst the above announcement appears significant, in the light of the recent Snowden revelations about how the security services, mainly GCHQ are monitoring electronic communications. I wonder just how much monitoring the Operation Grange (OG) Team have been doing over the past two years or so.

I'm sure DCI Redwood knows his stuff and would expect to see a spike in calls and maybe e-mails between the TM members and Tapas 7. Of course OG surveillance would need to be "covert" and therefore to be authorised by the issuance of RIPA notices (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act) for it to be admissible in Court at a possible later date. We could of course ask OG how many such notices have been applied for and granted, but would surmise that disclosure would not be forthcoming as that information could/would jeopardize the ongoing "Investigative Review" IMO the announcements that the Parents and the Tapas crew are not under investigation is not true. After all, the last thing you want when conducting covert surveillance is for the targets to know they're being watched.

DCI Redwood said: "I have no reason to be anything other than confident in the McCanns. They have been thoroughly supportive of our inquiry and our relationship is very strong."

????   

Where's the scratch head emoticon?