Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

by Autumn 18.01.10 1:13

jack wrote:The McCanns have been criticised in the past for not helping other lost children . I think we have to support them on this occasion for there support of others.

Following last week's courtroom reveletions, do you really think that people would be queing up to attend this event if it were just the McCanns - of course they wouldn't? Much more likely that people will attend if they are supporting reputable charities - the McCanns are fast losing all credibility and the public are seeing them for what they are.

by Autumn 18.01.10 2:13

vaguely1 wrote:Then I can only assume that you are unaware of the depth of depravity shown by Hindley and Brady, and that you are unaware that they were convicted as such.

Even going along the lines that Amaral's theory is correct, for the purposes of your post, - to liken a child dying in an accident to the torture and sexual molestation of those poor, poor children is bizarre, recorded for pornography.....

It leads me to believe that you're not a supporter of the accident theory.

Or that you're trying to get a rise out of me.

So are we to simply disregard the Gaspars' statements, Jon Corner's creepy comments, the tapas 7 pact of silence, the social worker's statement - there is disturbing information in the police files that should be causing all of us to have serious concerns about the circumstances surrounding Maddie's death? Nevertheless, whether her death be accidental or otherwise, to make money off the back of their daughter, appear on chat shows and squander fund money to salvage their tarnished reputations, in my books, brands them as twisted, sick and evil.
Nothing the McCanns have done or said since Maddie's disappearance has given me the impression that they give a damn about her - that, to me, rings alarm bells and makes me sad to think what kind of life she had before she vanished. Who are we to say that Maddie did not suffer?

by Deanna 18.01.10 7:08

I havent posted here before but I'm grateful for being a member.
As far as I'm concerned this party is sick.
It's made even more sick because of the day it's on. Does anyone else realise it's Holocaust Rememberence day?
As i read somewhere else, (and as Hindley and Brady have already been mentioned) I wonder if Keith Bennetts mum holds celeb parties on the 'special'anniversaries of her sons disappearance?

by vaguely1 18.01.10 8:17

Are you now presuming to speak for Winnie Johnson? Because I can tell you that you don't.

I think this entire thread had now become vulgar and offensive to the victims and the families of these people and you two should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.

Go and ask the families......see what they think.

by MaryB 18.01.10 10:28

I wouldn't be keen to support any charity associated with them until the case is solved.

by Autumn 18.01.10 10:41

Deanna wrote:I havent posted here before but I'm grateful for being a member.
As far as I'm concerned this party is sick.
It's made even more sick because of the day it's on. Does anyone else realise it's Holocaust Rememberence day?
As i read somewhere else, (and as Hindley and Brady have already been mentioned) I wonder if Keith Bennetts mum holds celeb parties on the 'special'anniversaries of her sons disappearance?

Hi Deanna

Totally agree, this party is one of the sickest stunts they have pulled so far and to be so insensitive as to hold the event on Holocaust Remberance day demonstrates clearly their callous disregard for others. Vaguely, I am at a loss as to how anyone can read the Gaspars' statements and not have serious concerns about Madeleine's welfare prior to her disappearance - the possiblily that she suffered neglect/abuse in her short life, sadly, cannot be ruled out.

by Pascal 18.01.10 11:18

I agree the thread has reached an abominable low. Autumn, the party as reported in the papers is atrocious, that much I agree with. Don't forget the papers are enjoying their usual embellishment of details to get a reaction from the public.

But really, comparisons to Brady and Hindley are really quite shocking and an insult to Winnie Johnson. I'm surprised this thread has run this far without some intervention.

by Autumn 18.01.10 11:25

aliberte2 wrote:The McCanns are not Serial Murderers.
There is No Comparison.

Neither were the killers of baby Peter, but I would say that they are every bit as evil as Hindley and Brady. As far as I am concerned, anyone who kills a child should be put locked away for life with no chance of release.

by vaguely1 18.01.10 11:34

But would you offer them a trial in a court of law, or just internet trial?

by vaguely1 18.01.10 11:37

Each year, the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust urges everyone in the UK to
pause and reflect on what can happen when racism, prejudice and
exclusionary behaviour are left unchecked. On HMD we take the time to
see how the lessons of the past can play a part in our communities
today.

http://www.hmd.org.uk/about

If you haven't already done so - you can light a candle here.

by Autumn 18.01.10 11:45

Pascal, you are missing the point. Caring parents do not gallavant around arranging celeb party bashes whilst their missing child is supposedly languishing in an underground lair near PDL.
In the name of decency, this grotesque circus has to be stopped - they must be barking mad, the whole thing is beyond sick!

by vaguely1 18.01.10 11:53

Autumn wrote:Pascal, you are missing the point. Caring parents do not gallavant around arranging celeb party bashes whilst their missing child is supposedly languishing in an underground lair near PDL.
In the name of decency, this grotesque circus has to be stopped - they must be barking mad, the whole thing is beyond sick!

It's a fund raising event. to raise money.

by Autumn 18.01.10 12:03

vaguely1 wrote:
Autumn wrote:Pascal, you are missing the point. Caring parents do not gallavant around arranging celeb party bashes whilst their missing child is supposedly languishing in an underground lair near PDL.
In the name of decency, this grotesque circus has to be stopped - they must be barking mad, the whole thing is beyond sick!

It's a fund raising event. to raise money.

It is a grotesque circus.

by Cath 18.01.10 12:46

It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

Frankly, I hope it's going to be a success. The other charities could use some extra money. Recession has had it's impact on donations.

by Autumn 18.01.10 13:12

Inyx wrote:It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

Frankly, I hope it's going to be a success. The other charities could use some extra money. Recession has had it's impact on donations.

They seem to think that by rubbing shoulders with rich, famous celebs they will in some way, clear their names. Following last week's courtroom revelations, I would think charities would stand to make more money if they refused to align themselves with the McCanns - fact is, lnyx, many are now starting to view the saintly duo with increasing suspicion and would do well to distance themselves from them.

by Cath 18.01.10 13:29

Autumn wrote:
Inyx wrote:It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

Frankly, I hope it's going to be a success. The other charities could use some extra money. Recession has had it's impact on donations.

They seem to think that by rubbing shoulders with rich, famous celebs they will in some way, clear their names. Following last week's courtroom revelations, I would think charities would stand to make more money if they refused to align themselves with the McCanns - fact is, lnyx, many are now starting to view the saintly duo with increasing suspicion and would do well to distance themselves from them.

I haven't heard about that. So what charities are you talking about and how do you know? Any names?

by Pascal 18.01.10 14:26

Autumn wrote:Pascal, you are missing the point. Caring parents do not gallavant around arranging celeb party bashes whilst their missing child is supposedly languishing in an underground lair near PDL.
In the name of decency, this grotesque circus has to be stopped - they must be barking mad, the whole thing is beyond sick!

Where have I missed the point Autumn? I agree the event is in poor taste at least while there is no verdict on this libel debacle - but then the McCanns are very arrogant imo.

It's the point you are trying to make that concerns me some. You liken the McCanns to Hindley and Brady? How so? Can you explain that to me? Because I am at a total loss how anyone with half a brain cell could compare the heinous acts of the most hated woman in Britain and her sadistic lover to that of the McCanns. First of all they have not even been tried and convicted of anything. What do you think Winnie Johnson might say if she read your comments?

Your comments beggar belief Autumn and you are doing the average 'anti' of which I might be considered, a terrible disservice.
I think you should retract you comments. I really do.

by Kololi 18.01.10 16:24

Hi
Come on now - whatever happened on that day, it is not in any shape, form or fashion, even similar to Bradley and Hindley's reign of terror.

Take care

by Autumn 18.01.10 17:43

I think some of you are deliberately misunderstanding my post. The comparison to H and B is more to do with their personalities, Gerry being perceived by many as being cold, ruthless and calculating whilst Kate is often regarded as being a scheming, manipulative liar. Until this case has been solved, we simply do not know the extent of what Madeleine suffered and what has been covered up. Vaguely, still awaiting your response to my earlier post re the Gaspars' statements and other concerns.

by Autumn 18.01.10 17:54

vaguely1 wrote:Each year, the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust urges everyone in the UK to
pause and reflect on what can happen when racism, prejudice and
exclusionary behaviour are left unchecked. On HMD we take the time to
see how the lessons of the past can play a part in our communities
today.

http://www.hmd.org.uk/about

If you haven't already done so - you can light a candle here.

Do you not think that it is rather insensitive of the McCanns to choose Holocaust Memorial Day to hold their star-studded celeb party?

by vaguely1 18.01.10 17:54

Gaspars statement, that's the one who saw david payne circling his nipple and sucking his finger, and she said she thought these were the actions of a person who would watch child pornography.

I take it for exactly what it is.

I saw David Walliams do it on TV a while back......what should I make of that?

The social worker who thought she'd seen DP before - but then had full access to her files and never got back to anyone with anything.... Nothing to make of that.

I'm still a little bit shaken with this thread - apologies for not answering before, I thought it was a rhetorical question.

by vaguely1 18.01.10 17:56

Autumn wrote:
vaguely1 wrote:Each year, the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust urges everyone in the UK to
pause and reflect on what can happen when racism, prejudice and
exclusionary behaviour are left unchecked. On HMD we take the time to
see how the lessons of the past can play a part in our communities
today.

http://www.hmd.org.uk/about

If you haven't already done so - you can light a candle here.

Do you not think that it is rather insensitive of the McCanns to choose Holocaust Memorial Day to hold their star-studded celeb party?

Not unless they're planning on dressing up as Nazis.

Did you know it was HMD when you first complained about this fund raising event? Only it was mentioned by another poster ....

There are thousands of events happening on that day around the world - literally thousands.

What are you doing for HMD?

Apple are holding a huge event 27th Jan. There are theatre shows all
over the world, there will be other fund raising events for other
charities, people will be born, people will die, people will go to work and carry on as normal.

Why should one small charity raising event in London be singled out as insensitive, or are all these other things insensitive as well? I'm not seeing how the McCanns are linked to the Holocaust now The McCanns Mark 1000 Days - Page 2 234726

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by Ruby 18.01.10 18:05

vaguely 'I saw David Walliams do it on TV a while back......what should I make of that?'

David Walliams specialises in grotesque and inappropriate characterisations... they're meant to shock, not represent real life. I have shown the Gaspars' statement to many people of all ages and they have all recoiled in discomfort.

by Autumn 18.01.10 18:12

vaguely1 wrote:Gaspars statement, that's the one who saw david payne circling his nipple and sucking his finger, and she said she thought these were the actions of a person who would watch child pornography.

I take it for exactly what it is.

I saw David Walliams do it on TV a while back......what should I make of that?

The social worker who thought she'd seen DP before - but then had full access to her files and never got back to anyone with anything.... Nothing to make of that.

I'm still a little bit shaken with this thread - apologies for not answering before, I thought it was a rhetorical question.

Well I am more than a little shaken that you have been so dismissive of the serious concerns raised in the Gaspars' statements and am shocked at your David Walliams comparison.

by vaguely1 18.01.10 18:13

Ruby wrote:vaguely 'I saw David Walliams do it on TV a while back......what should I make of that?'

David Walliams specialises in grotesque and inappropriate characterisations... they're meant to shock, not represent real life. I have shown the Gaspars' statement to many people of all ages and they have all recoiled in discomfort.

Maybe they were shocked you were wondering around with a copy of a police statement in your hand Ruby. (Edited to add:) There are a lot of people, members of the public, who are not used to police statements, and have no idea of the sheer number, or content of statements that the police will have in relation to serious crimes. Most members of the public are lucky to be shielded from the reality of these situations.

So when one person does it it's meant to shock, not represent real life, yet when another does it it's accepted as the opposite.

If you can tell me how rubbing your nipple is linked to child pornography I'll be happy to take on board what you say.

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