Re: Former Ullapool teacher struck off for indecent images

by Guest 09.11.13 13:31

PeterMac wrote:Bristow. Can you take that image down, or is it past your "edit time".
If not, could you perhaps PM admin for assistance in doing so.
I would not want this site to be thought in any way to be proselytising the depravity these people are obviously enjoying.
Peter

I will remove it now.

by bristow 09.11.13 13:33

Apologies, should have been more considerate.

by bobbin 09.11.13 13:40

justthinking wrote:earlier this morning a very respected member of this forum, Petermac, advised Daisy to not go anywhere near the deviant photo sites under discussion.
Yat a few hours later, and on the very next page of the thread, bristow posted a photo and comment from just such a site. This was an actual photo, not just a link where people have a choice over whether or not to view it - there was no warning and no option not to view it.
Why? especially after petermac's advice.

Just because PeterMac advises Daisy not to go somewhere does not place an embargo on all others on the forum to forbid communication. We are all grown ups here and if we are sensitive individuals, who must not be tainted, then this is the forum to leave.
There can be no question that the mysterious conditions under which a little girl 'disappeared' from PdL (blood and cadavour sniffer dog signalling / paedophile-candy type photos issued by the parents themselves) signal some shocking involvements that we would not wish to see in normal circumstances.
Unfortunately, in 'leaving no stone unturned', one is likely to find something nasty crawling around underneath any stone that we might turn over.
No time or place for being squeamish here. Maddie needs justice, not a faint hearted desire to cover our eyes with our hands or bury our heads in the sand.

by Smokeandmirrors 09.11.13 13:53

I have no doubt whatsoever in my mind, that newspaper editors, SY, PJ, various criminal psychologists and so on, are aware of MUCH MORE about this case and the people involved (even those involved by association) than these unsavoury "co-incidences' that keep cropping up, they have tools of detection beyond those we can access, and it has long been my view, and indeed hope, that the drawn out and prolonged nature of the investigation is to ensure that the whole rancid lot can be scooped up and disposed of.

Whilst we all long for some sort of conclusion to this case so that an innocent child may receive justice, I would not wish it to be in any way expedited at the expense of allowing a single one of these sordid characters to evade justice.

We have long gone past the possibility of co-incidence with all these grotesque anomalies, this is becoming something depraved beyond our worst nightmares.

by **PeterMac** 09.11.13 13:57

bristow wrote:Apologies, should have been more considerate.

Bristow.
Thanks for taking it down. I don't think the images belong here. If people choose to don full mental protective gear and visit those sites, they do so at their own risk.

I think this goes beyond freedom of speech and thought and licence to make images.
What is being seen her - not alleged, but actually seen - is a member of the close family, an in-law, Madeleine's own uncle, who is making and then displaying these images to the world.
And not only making the images, which we hope and understand are nothing more than photo-shopped and altered, but who on these sites expresses the WISH to be able to make films of girls drowning in mud or being asphyxiated in quicksand.
Is it possible to imagine that Philomena did not know about her husband's perversions ?
And if so, did Gerry ?
The site is called DEVIANTART, so they people who inhabit it are clearly aware that their tastes are not mainstream, nor acceptable to normal people.
There are schools of thought which hold that exposure to sexually violent images gradually deadens the initial excitement, and that therefore the person is drawn to ever more extreme ones, until one day the only thing left is the catharsis of full physical and real enactment. This is sometimes used as "mitigation' in criminal cases, to suggest that the accused had lost his powers of self control.

But to go back. We now have TWO perverts connected to a small secondary school in a tiny village in the North West of Scotland. Is there in fact a "ring", centred on Ullapool ?
Kate's quote about coincidences becomes ever more telling.

“One coincidence, two coincidences – maybe they’re still coincidences. Any more than that and it stops being coincidence.”
Kate McCann
( "madeleine", by Kate McCann, p. 328)

by justthinking 09.11.13 13:58

Bristow: thank you for your very gracious response.

Bobbin: it isn't 'squeamish' to not want to view such things, nor does it imply an unwillingness to deal with facts. It is just that people don't need to look at graphic deviant images in order to have rational debate on the subject.

by **PeterMac** 09.11.13 14:05

bobbin wrote:Just because PeterMac advises Daisy not to go somewhere does not place an embargo on all others on the forum to forbid communication. We are all grown ups here and if we are sensitive individuals, who must not be tainted, then this is the forum to leave.
There can be no question that the mysterious conditions under which a little girl 'disappeared' from PdL (blood and cadavour sniffer dog signalling / paedophile-candy type photos issued by the parents themselves) signal some shocking involvements that we would not wish to see in normal circumstances.
Unfortunately, in 'leaving no stone unturned', one is likely to find something nasty crawling around underneath any stone that we might turn over.
No time or place for being squeamish here. Maddie needs justice, not a faint hearted desire to cover our eyes with our hands or bury our heads in the sand.

Thank you for making that clear. I was being 'paternalistic' towards Daisy, for which I make no excuse. The issue for me more recently was the copying of the material onto this site.
The sites mentioned are in the public domain - incredible though some may find that - and each individual is of course free to peep into, or to wallow in the cess-pit that is revealed.

I agree that this case is now beginning to turn up some truly dreadful things, from the deliberate perverting of the course of justice by withholding potentially vital evidence for 5 years,
to other perversions, close to the family, which we now see.
(By the way -I think your expression "bury our heads in the sand" is slightly unfortunate, given the subject matter under discussion ! ! )

by Mirage 09.11.13 14:09

admin wrote:
MrsC wrote:I'm shocked. What on earth kind of people exist in this world?
Or another question could be 'What on earth kind of people existed in Maddie McCann's world?'

We have the Gaspars suggesting that Dr David Payne and Maddie's dad, Dr Gerry McCann, were having a paedophile conversation about her.

We have allegations that the McCanns are swingers.

We have Amaral suggesting that Dr David Payne bathed the McCann children.

We have a Fund director, Edward Smethurst, who is friends with 'Greg the Groomer' on Facebook.

We have a former arquido, Robert Murat, who had child porn on his computer and allegations that he tried to have sex with animals.

We have Gerry McCann with a file on a CATS system (child protection database) with a registration number 19309.

We have three year old Maddie McCann photographed in make up and various questionable poses.

Maddie who is missing, presumed dead, according the British sniffer dogs, Eddie and Keela.

And a massive cover up full of lies and fabrication of what really happened to this child.

And people wonder why we're still here? Really?

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by Guest 09.11.13 14:17

As long as it's not quicksand PeterMac! By the way, I also wasn't sure if by your first post you were refuting the McCann connection or not.

In view of this topic, I don't think there can be a problem with posting a link to a now whooshed Facebook page from Karen McCalman, the one time Fund administrator and friend of Kate.

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If there was no McCann connection, I might have said this was just a loud-mouthed chav venting. I won't say which bit I find worrying - perhaps it is just me. I'll let you make your own minds up.

by tasprin 09.11.13 15:51

Seems Ingram was employed at Whitehaven School up until 20011. His job at Ullapool began in September 2011 and he was arrested the following year. His offences overlap both schools. But according to this BBC article he can apply to re-register after two years:

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He cannot make an application to re-register as a teacher for two years. GTC Scotland has also referred his case to Scottish Ministers for a decision on whether he should be barred from working with children. Ingram was convicted in February of having taken, or permitted the taking of, an indecent image of children between May 2011 and March 2012.He was also convicted of possessing an extreme pornographic image.
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Martin Ingram Posted 26 June 2011 - 01:54 PM
I have landed my dream job at Ullapool High School in the highlands of Scotland!!!!!! At present I teach in Whitehaven, Cumbria. I have always taught in England so was wandering if anyone out there had any advice, ideas or suggestions for good resources etc. suitable for the Scottish education system. I will be teaching S1 to S6 at all levels and abilities.
Thanks in advance for any helpful comments, (Not for ones about battered mars bars!)
Martin
Martin Ingram
Whitehaven School
Cumbria
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SIR — Further to the story about the Jack the Ripper film being shown to school pupils (The Whitehaven News, July 19), there are some things I feel you should be aware of. Your article seems to imply that this incident was entirely the fault of the teacher. As I am involved with educational publications I was somewhat shocked by this. Jack the Ripper as a subject for study is widely recognised in the KS3 History Curriculum and published in a widely used and popular text book, Investigating History: Britain 1750-1900, by Mr John D Clare. The activity on page 92 of this book asks students to compare the facts of the case to the fiction of the film and make judgments as to its validity.
So it seems unfortunate that your paper should single out one teacher when this issue is obviously much broader than that. As I am myself involved in the development of educational resources for schools, I am aware of the legal issues surrounding copyright and age sensitivity. I believe most teachers are also acutely aware of this. The subject of history in particular will give rise to certain issues relating to this.
The reference to Schindler’s List in the article is one very good example. Rated as a 15, it would have to be shown to students in Year 11, by which time history is non-compulsory and therefore many students would not have opportunity to view what many would say is essential viewing.
I am regularly in communication with John D Clare and will pass on the papers and parents concerns relating to this story. I hope he will be able to explain why the subject of Jack the Ripper is included in this textbook.
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Ingram's letter of complaint to the Whitehaven News relates to the following article (Ingram supports the decision to show 12 year-old kids an 18- rated Jack the Ripper film despite parents anger):.

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Parent’s horror as school shows X-rated Ripper film to children
PARENTS are livid after 12-year-old children were shown a graphic and gruesome X-rated horror film as part of a school history lesson.
The British Board of Film Control has also criticised Whitehaven School for its decision to show From Hell, a certificate 18, as part of a project on Jack the Ripper. Said one [parent], “I don’t even think that kids should be studying Jack the Ripper – he was a sexual sadist and a murderer".
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by chillyheat 09.11.13 15:53

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:As long as it's not quicksand PeterMac! By the way, I also wasn't sure if by your first post you were refuting the McCann connection or not.

In view of this topic, I don't think there can be a problem with posting a link to a now whooshed Facebook page from Karen McCalman, the one time Fund administrator and friend of Kate.

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If there was no McCann connection, I might have said this was just a loud-mouthed chav venting. I won't say which bit I find worrying - perhaps it is just me. I'll let you make your own minds up.

Is it the name links at the bottom ?

by Guest 09.11.13 15:54

No - it's her own words in the main part.

by chillyheat 09.11.13 15:57

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:No - it's her own words in the main part.

Ok ty, will take a closer look...

by Rufus T 09.11.13 16:48

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:No - it's her own words in the main part.

Oh give us a wee clue NFWTD, some of the pages she likes are odd but not sure what you're driving at.
In my defence my head is loaded with the cold.

by **PeterMac** 09.11.13 16:51

I wonder if he was on the annual school trip to Turkey ?
In June 2007 Philomena had to leave PdL to return home, so that she could then go on holiday - which turned out to be a School trip.
It is likely that Rickwood went with them - why one does not ask - and it is certain that the other sister, Trish Cameron was there too - again one does not know why.
Cameras, photographers, photo-shoppers, adolescents, beaches, swimming, sunbathing, bikinis, discos, dancing,
Not for nothing are checks supposed to be done.
I wonder if they were ?

by Daisy 09.11.13 17:14

PeterMac wrote:
Daisy wrote:I've missed all this stuff. Need to study more.
My advice is - DON'T go anywhere near it.

Thank you. I paid heed to your advice.

by **Tony Bennett** 09.11.13 21:15

More from Tony Rickwood a.k.a. 'Auroraman' a.k.a. 'scopertonosol' -

writing as 'scopertonosol' on the 'Deviant Art' website

(under pic of naked lady in quicksand):

"I've always wanted to do a sort of tribute to Enrique Romero who did, among others, the amazing AXA comic strip. A formative scene for me was when the heroine is led into quicksand by a jealous rival and left to sink to her doom. Now ordinarily I'm not for doing nude artwork, but since it is in the spirit of the original comic series, I am making this one exception. It's not the best render, but I hope that it comes across OK".

It seems he has a number of fans of his work on the site, for example:

PM2K: "I loved that AXA scene - pity there were no really good scans of it available - and this really is a great tribute".

pete1672: "Can only echo PM2K's statement, this is excellent".

by chillyheat 09.11.13 21:18

Tony Bennett wrote:More from Tony Rickwood a.k.a. 'Auroraman' a.k.a. 'scopertonosol' -

writing as 'scopertonosol' on the 'Deviant Art' website

(under pic of naked lady in quicksand):

"I've always wanted to do a sort of tribute to Enrique Romero who did, among others, the amazing AXA comic strip. A formative scene for me was when the heroine is led into quicksand by a jealous rival and left to sink to her doom. Now ordinarily I'm not for doing nude artwork, but since it is in the spirit of the original comic series, I am making this one exception. It's not the best render, but I hope that it comes across OK".

It seems he has a number of fans of his work on the site, for example:

PM2K: "I loved that AXA scene - pity there were no really good scans of it available - and this really is a great tribute".

pete1672: "Can only echo PM2K's statement, this is excellent".

Is he still posting images to this day Tony ? This has to be known to the Police....Surely

by Guest 09.11.13 21:21

It doesn't seem to me to be illegal though - consenting adults and all that.

by chillyheat 09.11.13 21:25

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It doesn't seem to me to be illegal though - consenting adults and all that.

Police awareness I meant, sorry. Its just such a sick hobby to be involved with. How the fook does the mind want to go for that sort of thing...

by **Tony Bennett** 09.11.13 21:40

ChillyHeat wrote:
Is he still posting images to this day Tony ? This has to be known to the Police....Surely

I have not checked the 'Deviant Art' website recently and don't really want to have to go there - but the information I have from another is that he has certainly been posting away merrily there this year.

Now, as to this being a police matter, I don't actually think it is.

True, we have the Obscene Publications Act, but that has been watered down and neutered by our MPs, in support of those who wish us all to be exposed to ever more obscenity, so I don't think he has broken any law. The women he uses in his 'art' /photography appear to be 18-plus.

However, given Rickwood's admission that he has had a lifelong interest in women in peril and fantasises about cartoon strips where the main character sinks slowly to her death, he must clearly be kept away from children - and that is why there must be an urgent investigation by Ullapool High School and the relevant education authority into Philomena McCann's knowledge of his depraved interest and whether Rickwood poses a risk to anyone at the school.

Particularly after they negligently employed pervert Martin Ingram who, as we have seen on this thread, had already proved to have been an unsuitable teacher of children at a previous school.

by **Tony Bennett** 09.11.13 21:46

ChillyHeat wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It doesn't seem to me to be illegal though - consenting adults and all that.
Police awareness I meant, sorry. Its just such a sick hobby to be involved with. How the fook does the mind want to go for that sort of thing...

It has been shown time and time again that people who fantasise about things may well carry them out.

One recent example much-discussed on this forum three years ago was the murder of Joanna Yeates by Vincent Tabak.

Other examples include Anders Breivik (Norway) and many of the mass shootings in schools and colleges in the U.S.

I have no doubt there will be some clever sods out there claiming that fantasising about killing women is 'just a harmless hobby'.

by chillyheat 09.11.13 21:49

Tony Bennett wrote:
ChillyHeat wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It doesn't seem to me to be illegal though - consenting adults and all that.
Police awareness I meant, sorry. Its just such a sick hobby to be involved with. How the fook does the mind want to go for that sort of thing...
It has been shown time and time again that people who fantasise about things may well carry them out.

One recent example much-discussed on this forum three years ago was the murder of Joanna Yeates by Vincent Tabak.

Other examples include Anders Breivik (Norway) and many of the mass shootings in schools and colleges in the U.S.

I have no doubt there will be some clever sods out there claiming that fantasising about killing women is 'just a harmless hobby'.

God forbid....But if Madeleine is dead and buried somewhere, then how do we not know her uncle actually likes the thought of her being buried.....Its shuddering

by Daisy 09.11.13 21:49

I read a post by Jayelles earlier. It was hilarious. Said something like - Tony's only started this thread so he can get jailed in time for Christmas to gain publicity. laughat