The crucial private message from Ambersuz to one of her Mods/Admin which explains where Debbie got the idea that money was missing from the Foundation

baconbutty wrote:"...until we decide what we are going to do with her."

Well it's now late November, have they decided what to do with her yet?

The kindest thing they could have done with her would have been to impose a temporary ban on her posts until this matter is officially settled. To save her from herself, if nothing else. For Ambersuz to say that DB 'insists' on posting is ridiculous, because Ambersuz has the power to do something about that. And if Butler had flounced on the strength of that decision, then so be it.

But all they have done so far is encourage and reinforce her incoherent ramblings with their own anti-Bennett posts, indeed Ambersuz has started threads herself.

And just a small point here, but why has Ambersuz spelt TB's surname incorrectly in the pm when she spells it properly on the forum?

Well said

Sym I`ve been stalked too, which is why I dont understand why Mr Bennet would identify someone who has gone to great lengths to remain anonymous. He seems to be well aware of Bren and Ambersuzs methods so why give them more ammunition.

Bren Today at 11:48


I see Bennett is on another smear campaign, to smear anybody that disagrees with him, his actions or his past campaigns. Well all I can say this man is a disgrace, he uses innocent children in his smear campaigns, he stoops to levels that are well applauded and used by the likes of BB1 and the ex-mods and he has no conscience or morals in relation to how low he will go and how much he will lie and twist the truth.

All I can say to those that are blindly following is one thing, all the time you are agreeing with him and stroking his ego, you will be fine, but the moment you object to one of his ideas, the moment you speak out against him, will be the time that you will be on his target list as well.

Bennett can’t stand anyone disagreeing with him, my god how I wish now I had shoved his ass out of the door on the 3a’s and put a stop to his campaigns there and then. Many members of 3a’s left because of him and many stopped posting because if they did not agree with him or point out an inconsistency in what he was saying his misguided blinded followers would race in for an attack.

Bennett is one of these people that assumes and we all know what happens when he assumes and speculates he ends up in front of libel courts. Well all I can say to people beware the man is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and the moment you disagree with him will be the moment he turns on you.

And for your information Bennett, my old son, I have NEVER encouraged Debbie or anybody else to ring Clarence Mitchell, on my list of people that make my skin crawl him and you are running a joint first

lima wrote:Sym I`ve been stalked too, which is why I dont understand why Mr Bennet would identify someone who has gone to great lengths to remain anonymous. He seems to be well aware of Bren and Ambersuzs methods so why give them more ammunition.

They already knew the source...they blanked the name and promised not to say who..according to BB. But given that these loons rip in to peoples bins to dig for dirt its rich them all decrying Bennet for letting out the recipitent,it only suited them to not name the person themselves cos probably its likely one of their moles. :suspect:

heresthetruth wrote:Ambersuz Today at 11:22


Well this is an outrageous lie and now granny seems to be in cahoots with Bennett? Interesting indeed!

Even if I had sent a pm to Granny how can she now get to any of them if she's banned from here for being a backstabber so when was this planned by her and yourself? Just before she flounced?

Who said she was the most trusted of my mods? She wasnt by far...in fact 3 of my mods thought she was a troll in disguise as she was flitting between pro forums and anti forums hitting out at everyone all over the show.....and I didnt believe them! (screen shot to follow)

So what is it? on or abouts the 8th or 9th? Surely if she has that pm then she can post real screenshots of the real date with her name on it? I'll wait for the real ones and not your photoshopped cheapo version you obviously gave BB1! Remember we can all type anything we like...whether its the truth or not leaves much to be desired....especially coming from a compulsive liar as you are Bennett.....

Tony you really are grasping at straws now and I really am patient and I dont fret...I'm not investigating you.....but you keep clinging on to your fan club cause they wont be able to help you out when the police come for you mate!

Bennett you yourself said you expelled Debbie on the 3rd October (in various places) so why are you pushing that date forwards a whole month now???

You've got your facts wrong again, Ambersuz.

On 3 October three new Committe members were co-opted according to the rules. Debbie was not ousted, she remained a Committee Member and Chairman.

On 4 November the Committee expelled Debbie Butler for bringing The Madeleine Foundation into disrepute.

Simple.

Sym, I think the bin incident was a joke, I believe it stemmed from an overreaction of Brendas to someone winding her up

Muratfan posted that she`d checked the council bin collections for a joke when she posted it Bren went ballistic in the mod box convinced the press were in her bin. This was all on JATYK a while ago

heresthetruth wrote:Bren Today at 11:48


I see Bennett is on another smear campaign, to smear anybody that disagrees with him, his actions or his past campaigns. Well all I can say this man is a disgrace, he uses innocent children in his smear campaigns, he stoops to levels that are well applauded and used by the likes of BB1 and the ex-mods and he has no conscience or morals in relation to how low he will go and how much he will lie and twist the truth.

All I can say to those that are blindly following is one thing, all the time you are agreeing with him and stroking his ego, you will be fine, but the moment you object to one of his ideas, the moment you speak out against him, will be the time that you will be on his target list as well.

Bennett can’t stand anyone disagreeing with him, my god how I wish now I had shoved his ass out of the door on the 3a’s and put a stop to his campaigns there and then. Many members of 3a’s left because of him and many stopped posting because if they did not agree with him or point out an inconsistency in what he was saying his misguided blinded followers would race in for an attack.

Bennett is one of these people that assumes and we all know what happens when he assumes and speculates he ends up in front of libel courts. Well all I can say to people beware the man is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and the moment you disagree with him will be the moment he turns on you.

And for your information Bennett, my old son, I have NEVER encouraged Debbie or anybody else to ring Clarence Mitchell, on my list of people that make my skin crawl him and you are running a joint first

Ah, Brenda Ryan, Her Royal Truthiness, was Ambersuz/Susana lying or telling the truth when she wrote to her trusted Moderator:

"Bren is trying to talk her round to talking to Clarence Mitchell again"

lima wrote:Sym, I think the bin incident was a joke, I believe it stemmed from an overreaction of Brendas to someone winding her up

NO muratfan admitted last night its serious and she lists the bin contents including sanitary towels, she says ask Brend about it....I dont want to touch my own sanitary protection let alone someone elses.. .its nauseating, perhaps they could get employment on Grime fighters.

Bren Today at 12:02


I had Bennett weighed up in November 2007 when being Admin on BarArguido, Hellothere wrote to him and Hellothere was trying to get him on MSN. (Actually the mods were laughing their flaming heads off because he could not even download MSN and when I tried to explain how to remove programs form the Control Panel he could not even find the start button...that is a different story). He phoned me about it and we spoke and he was on for raising approximately £2000 for a Barrister for legal advice on his failure at bringing a private prosecution for neglect. I tried to explain to him that criminal cases take precedence over civil cases and as the case was still being investigated he was wasting his time and money, best to wait for the conclusion of the criminal case and to attack the Fund and try to get that stopped. Did he listen? No...he just carried on waffling about raising money and that is the first time I had heard the name Debbie Butler because he was praising her and asking if I knew her as she lived in Maidstone.

And it was his persistence in raising Funds that sent the alarm bells rining in my head along with other mods and admin when I told them of our conversation. In fact if people want the truth, when we all decided not to back Bennett and wanted no part of his money raising ideas that was the start of Hellothere banning us and removing us from Bar Arguido and ultimately the start of the 3a's.

sym wrote:

lima wrote:Sym, I think the bin incident was a joke, I believe it stemmed from an overreaction of Brendas to someone winding her up

NO muratfan admitted last night its serious and she lists the bin contents including sanitary towels, she says ask Brend about it....I dont want to touch my own sanitary protection let alone someone elses.. .its nauseating, perhaps they could get employment on Grime fighters.

Sym its all a joke. have a look through the archives on JATYK, its all there

So about as much credence as me being a burglar...F*ck them they write what they like when they like :lol:

I don't know what is going on here, but I have never seen that pm in the OP which is supposed to have been from Amber to myself.
I have never received any information whatsoever about Debbie havng a nervous breakdown. That whole thing is news to me, and I can confirm that in no way was I Ambers most trusted Mod. All the other Mods had been on Sky with Amber and she had known them for some time. I was the newcomer. I don't think I was distrusted, but I certainly wasn't known to any of them.
That's about all I can say really as I have no idea where this has come from or what the motive is behind it.

heresthetruth wrote:Bren Today at 12:02


I had Bennett weighed up in November 2007 when being Admin on BarArguido, Hellothere wrote to him and Hellothere was trying to get him on MSN. (Actually the mods were laughing their flaming heads off because he could not even download MSN and when I tried to explain how to remove programs form the Control Panel he could not even find the start button...that is a different story). He phoned me about it and we spoke and he was on for raising approximately £2000 for a Barrister for legal advice on his failure at bringing a private prosecution for neglect. I tried to explain to him that criminal cases take precedence over civil cases and as the case was still being investigated he was wasting his time and money, best to wait for the conclusion of the criminal case and to attack the Fund and try to get that stopped. Did he listen? No...he just carried on waffling about raising money and that is the first time I had heard the name Debbie Butler because he was praising her and asking if I knew her as she lived in Maidstone.

And it was his persistence in raising Funds that sent the alarm bells rining in my head along with other mods and admin when I told them of our conversation. In fact if people want the truth, when we all decided not to back Bennett and wanted no part of his money raising ideas that was the start of Hellothere banning us and removing us from Bar Arguido and ultimately the start of the 3a's.

Part of the above is true.

Round about that time, some of us were discussing obtaining a barrister's opinion on all aspects of the apparent neglect of Madeleine by her parents, including the question of international law when a crime of child neglect occurs in a country where the parents are not resident. I spoke to a well-respected local Solicitor who is a crimimal law specialist and he identified one or two barristers who had relevant knowledge in the fields of crime, child neglect and international law. The fee was likely to have been £1,500 to £2,000, with VAT on top of course.

Some suspicious minds at the time queried this, thinking that as I had been a Solicitor I could easily get a legal opinion for nothing from one of my contacts. It doesn't work like that. We wanted a cast-iron legal opinion on whether there was sufficient evidence to prosecute the McCanns for child neglect and, if so, whether proceedings could be brought in the U.K. or not.

Our plans, as everyone knows, changed into developing the website which was launched on 20 October 2008 and publishing the '60 Reasons' book which came out on 7 December 2008.

So far as Brenda Ryan's former attitude to myself and MF is concerned, the folllowing must be placed firmly on the record:

1. BR asked that a reference be made to 3As as a source of reference on all future MF leaflets

2. BR endorsed on behalf of herself and all the Mods and Admin on 3As the lengthy submission MF made to the Culture Media and Sport Select Committee on the subject of Press Freedom, Standards and Libel

3. The idea of preparing a submission to the DCMS Select Committee in the first place arose from a thread begun by 'Laffin Assasin' on 3As and dozens of 3As members contributed to a number of threads on 3As on the subject

4. The whole idea of the '10 Reasons' leaflet began with a thread started on 3As by someone else. Again, dozens of 3As members contributed to the content of '10 Reasons' and the reference to 3As as a source of information about Madeleine McCann was with the knowledge and approval of BR

5. I have always admitted to not being a 'tecchie' where computers and the internet are concerned. At the time I thought it curious that BR was in such a rush to sign me up to MSN. I find it of interest that my not being a tecchie is the subject of mirth and gloating by BR and her friends.

justagrannynow 1 wrote:I don't know what is going on here, but I have never seen that pm in the OP which is supposed to have been from Amber to myself.
I have never received any information whatsoever about Debbie havng a nervous breakdown. That whole thing is news to me, and I can confirm that in no way was I Ambers most trusted Mod. All the other Mods had been on Sky with Amber and she had known them for some time. I was the newcomer. I don't think I was distrusted, but I certainly wasn't known to any of them.
That's about all I can say really as I have no idea where this has come from or what the motive is behind it.

one of the pro's mixing it I expect...saw them not seeming happy you had come over here to the Dark side :twisted:

justagrannynow 1 wrote:I don't know what is going on here, but I have never seen that pm in the OP which is supposed to have been from Amber to myself.
I have never received any information whatsoever about Debbie havng a nervous breakdown. That whole thing is news to me, and I can confirm that in no way was I Ambers most trusted Mod. All the other Mods had been on Sky with Amber and she had known them for some time. I was the newcomer. I don't think I was distrusted, but I certainly wasn't known to any of them.
That's about all I can say really as I have no idea where this has come from or what the motive is behind it.

Then I am mistaken about who the 'pm' was sent to by Ambersuz/Susana and I apologise to you 'justagrannynow' for coming to what was an incorrect assumption on my part. The 'pm' is no doubt genuine, the only issue is to whom it was sent.

Let us all hope then that the identity of the person Ambersuz wrote to is soon revealed and also how Ambersuz' communication reached JustAThought.

Well i would like to know this. How come last night the same e-mail was said to be a JATYK plot and was faked by their members.
Today it is lauded to be true because Bennett posted it. So strange

murat_fan wrote:Well i would like to know this. How come last night the same e-mail was said to be a JATYK plot and was faked by their members.
Today it is lauded to be true because Bennett posted it. So strange

We trust him more than you possible..

I have no way of getting a message to Amber other than to post here that I am not in cahoots with Tony Bennett or anybody. I have had no direct contact via pm or e mail with either Deborah Butler or Tony Bennett. Throughout this whole mess I have refused to take sides until the results of the police investigation are known.
As for being a troll, I never was, nor did I post on any other forum while I was on the MM other than the Maddie Case Files which I joined when I was copying the PJ files from there to the MM forum.

Edited to ask if Amber will please post here those screenshots of posts I am supposed to have made on other forums so I can see them as I know this is not true. I have no idea of the forums involved as the only forum I have been involved with is the Maddie Case Files.

sym wrote:

murat_fan wrote:Well i would like to know this. How come last night the same e-mail was said to be a JATYK plot and was faked by their members.
Today it is lauded to be true because Bennett posted it. So strange

We trust him more than you possible..

But once again because it comes from someone off message to yourselves it is deemed a scare tactic or false. Because it comes from Bennett it must be right.
How do you know Bennett did not doctor it, after all you have all said last night it was faked.

Ambersuz beleives its not you Justagranny, but she admitted in so many words that she had sent that PM, so maybe another Mod on MM is not happy. who is Ambersuz most trusted mod?

you lot over there dont allow anyone from here to have a say at least you get a say here but expecting people to listen to you and not question it is asking a tad too much.

heresthetruth wrote:Ambersuz beleives its not you Justagranny, but she admitted in so many words that she had sent that PM, so maybe another Mod on MM is not happy. who is Ambersuz most trusted mod?

I have no idea. Whenever there was trouble Amber always said she trusted all her Mods. All I am saying is that I was the newcomer into a group who had known each other for some time before I joined their forum.

So a trusted mod saw a chance to make you a scapegoat, not got the balls to stand up to Ambersuz but disgusted enough with the games to try and get the truth out.

eddie is ambersluts trusted general

I cannot believe any of the Mods would do that. They all came from the Sky forum and had their own jokes about that place, which I didn't get because I had never been on there. They were a close group who made me welcome, and I couldn't think of anyone who would do this to either Amber or myself. I might not have been that close to them, but as far as I am aware I never made any enemies there.
If Bren and Debbie had only behaved reasonably I would still be there, but I felt they were allowed to make posts which would have got other members banned, and that made me uncomfortable about being able to Mod fairly. That is the reason I left as I got the feeling that if I had pushed Amber and said it was them or me, I would have been the one shown the door. That's the truth.
I am only sorry that Amber felt unable to ask me when someone was apparently accusing me of being a troll, as I would have appreciated the opportunity to put things right.