McCanns evidence 'doesn't add up'
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McCanns evidence 'doesn't add up'
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A team of British crime specialists who have scrutinised the Madeleine McCann case claim there are inconsistencies in her parents' version of events.
The retired experts believe there is a question mark over Kate's response when she discovered the four-year-old was missing.
Forensic scientist Professor David Barclay, part of the four-man team who reviewed the case for Channel Four's Dispatches show, said: "We examined all of the available evidence and the conclusion we came to was that there appeared to be some significant inconsistencies.
"One thing we looked for was any sign of 'staging', the term we use for the actions of someone who has committed a crime and wants to 'stage it' to appear someone else has done it.
"The first words apparently spoken by Kate McCann when she discovered Madeleine had vanished were significant. She is supposed to have said 'They've taken her, they've taken her' - which seems a strange choice of phrase.
"I don't think that would have been my first reaction if my child had gone missing."
Prof Barclay also questioned the McCanns' claims that an abductor got into their Praia da Luz holiday flat through the back shutters.
He said: "We checked the scene of the crime and it struck us immediately how unlikely it would be for anyone to try and access the apartment through the back windows. The shutters there were firmly shut and couldn't be opened and the car park behind the flat was overlooked.
"We're not saying it was impossible to have gained entry that way, but with all of our collected years of experience to us it seemed highly unlikely and a very implausible scenario.
"It could be that claim is consistent with staging, but without full knowledge of all of the facts in the case it would be impossible to say for sure."
Prof Barclay visited the crime scene along with ex-Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Stevenson, the man who caught Soham killer Ian Huntley and psychological profiler David Canter.
The will seen on tonight's show visiting key sites and seeing footage of the police in action.
Prof Barclay, 62, added: "There has been a tendency to criticise the Portuguese police but on the whole they did a pretty good job.
"However, they made two big mistakes. Firstly, they did not seal of the crime scene anywhere nearly quick enough. Secondly, in my opinion they were not aggressive enough with the McCanns in the first stage of the investigation.
"It is actually for the parents' benefit in cases like this that the police tackle them robustly and demand a comprehensive account of their movements during the relevant timeframe."
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- 00:00, 18 October 2007
- By Stewart Maclean
A team of British crime specialists who have scrutinised the Madeleine McCann case claim there are inconsistencies in her parents' version of events.
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A team of British crime specialists who have scrutinised the Madeleine McCann case claim there are inconsistencies in her parents' version of events.
The retired experts believe there is a question mark over Kate's response when she discovered the four-year-old was missing.
Forensic scientist Professor David Barclay, part of the four-man team who reviewed the case for Channel Four's Dispatches show, said: "We examined all of the available evidence and the conclusion we came to was that there appeared to be some significant inconsistencies.
"One thing we looked for was any sign of 'staging', the term we use for the actions of someone who has committed a crime and wants to 'stage it' to appear someone else has done it.
"The first words apparently spoken by Kate McCann when she discovered Madeleine had vanished were significant. She is supposed to have said 'They've taken her, they've taken her' - which seems a strange choice of phrase.
"I don't think that would have been my first reaction if my child had gone missing."
Prof Barclay also questioned the McCanns' claims that an abductor got into their Praia da Luz holiday flat through the back shutters.
He said: "We checked the scene of the crime and it struck us immediately how unlikely it would be for anyone to try and access the apartment through the back windows. The shutters there were firmly shut and couldn't be opened and the car park behind the flat was overlooked.
"We're not saying it was impossible to have gained entry that way, but with all of our collected years of experience to us it seemed highly unlikely and a very implausible scenario.
"It could be that claim is consistent with staging, but without full knowledge of all of the facts in the case it would be impossible to say for sure."
Prof Barclay visited the crime scene along with ex-Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Stevenson, the man who caught Soham killer Ian Huntley and psychological profiler David Canter.
The will seen on tonight's show visiting key sites and seeing footage of the police in action.
Prof Barclay, 62, added: "There has been a tendency to criticise the Portuguese police but on the whole they did a pretty good job.
"However, they made two big mistakes. Firstly, they did not seal of the crime scene anywhere nearly quick enough. Secondly, in my opinion they were not aggressive enough with the McCanns in the first stage of the investigation.
"It is actually for the parents' benefit in cases like this that the police tackle them robustly and demand a comprehensive account of their movements during the relevant timeframe."
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Whilst the article is from 2007, always good to be reminded of the basics. We can often get too bogged down in trivia.
Is this story currently be resurrected in MSM ?
Is this story currently be resurrected in MSM ?
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'They've taken her, they've taken her' - which seems a strange choice of phrase.
"I don't think that would have been my first reaction if my child had gone missing."
Absolutely.
"Madeleine is gone".
"Madeleine is not there".
"She's gone"....
Somehow Kate knew she had been abducted without exploring other less sinister possibilities.
Did she ask Jane next door?
Of course not.
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Nope. It was posted on my CMOMM facebook page.Carrry On Doctor wrote:Whilst the article is from 2007, always good to be reminded of the basics. We can often get too bogged down in trivia.
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BlueBag wrote:'They've taken her, they've taken her' - which seems a strange choice of phrase.
"I don't think that would have been my first reaction if my child had gone missing."
Absolutely.
"Madeleine is gone".
"Madeleine is not there".
"She's gone"....
Somehow Kate knew she had been abducted without exploring other less sinister possibilities.
Did she ask Jane next door?
She said that to a group of friends. On face value it is ambiguous. Who are "they", who is "her". The only way it could be meaningful is if her group of friends knew what she was talking about. If your daughter goes missing , your daughter is the subject not the object.
Of course not.
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'They've taken her' must be what was printed in the Daily Mail, where I first read the story. That was the phrase which convinced me it wasn't true.mysterion wrote:BlueBag wrote:'They've taken her, they've taken her' - which seems a strange choice of phrase.
"I don't think that would have been my first reaction if my child had gone missing."
Absolutely.
"Madeleine is gone".
"Madeleine is not there".
"She's gone"....
Somehow Kate knew she had been abducted without exploring other less sinister possibilities.
Did she ask Jane next door?
She said that to a group of friends. On face value it is ambiguous. Who are "they", who is "her". The only way it could be meaningful is if her group of friends knew what she was talking about. If your daughter goes missing , your daughter is the subject not the object.
Of course not.
I did not actually follow the case at all for the first years, living in deepest France without TV and a donkey-speed internet. Around 2010 I noticed they were still around, not in prison or anything. About a year later I discovered forums (late developer you might say) and saw some photographs which made me think of the growing and shrinking Alice in Wonderland.
'They've taken her' - not a good choice. Running around calling her name, that's what you do when you lose somebody.
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Actually, if you look through the files, nobody, apart from the Tapas members, actually sees or hears Kate come back to the table. The person who heard her say 'They've take her' was one of the nannies afterwards back at the apartment.
Waiters, bar staff, people at the resort..... no-one in the statements, apart from the Tapas lot, are witnesses to Kate being coming back to that table at just after 10pm.
Waiters, bar staff, people at the resort..... no-one in the statements, apart from the Tapas lot, are witnesses to Kate being coming back to that table at just after 10pm.
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no ,infact if memory serves me , there was acouple who ate at tapas near ro the group ,but left around maybe 9 30 pm ,and as thay walked home ,the lady heard someone calling the name maddie and told her husband so too. So the times maybe out all the way round .joyce1938
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Jane was next door.
Jane had passed 5A a few minutes before on her way back.
Jane might have gone into the flat for any number of reasons... children crying for instance....
Kate had been talking to Jane that evening about the children waking up.
Did Kate check with Jane to see if she knew anything?
Of course not.
Kate somehow instantly knew Madeleine had been abducted by someone.
Jane had passed 5A a few minutes before on her way back.
Jane might have gone into the flat for any number of reasons... children crying for instance....
Kate had been talking to Jane that evening about the children waking up.
Did Kate check with Jane to see if she knew anything?
Of course not.
Kate somehow instantly knew Madeleine had been abducted by someone.
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''Help me,I can't find Madeleine!'' is what I might have expected...
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'They've taken her'
Given that the McCanns had two daughters, I always thought this odd - how did anyone know which 'her' was being referred to?
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Did anyone who heard this query it at the time? If not, it suggests a staged event especially if it happened at exactly 10.00pm. "They have taken her" is the phraseology used by the bereaved when the deceased is removed from a house. Sounds a lot softer than "The undertakers have taken my mother`s body to the chapel of rest".
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I have always thought this was a staged event, but something went very very wrong! I have my own beliefs who was behind it and why.mysterion wrote:Did anyone who heard this query it at the time? If not, it suggests a staged event especially if it happened at exactly 10.00pm. "They have taken her" is the phraseology used by the bereaved when the deceased is removed from a house. Sounds a lot softer than "The undertakers have taken my mother`s body to the chapel of rest".
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The forum always welcomes ideas....Gerry says has he no problem with them !tinkier wrote:I have always thought this was a staged event, but something went very very wrong! I have my own beliefs who was behind it and why.mysterion wrote:Did anyone who heard this query it at the time? If not, it suggests a staged event especially if it happened at exactly 10.00pm. "They have taken her" is the phraseology used by the bereaved when the deceased is removed from a house. Sounds a lot softer than "The undertakers have taken my mother`s body to the chapel of rest".
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