Re: Another look at the Last photo

by Guest 02.06.19 8:43

I find it difficult to believe that only one photo exists of Madeleine on the Thursday.

I'd like to see all available photos from Thursday... from all sources.... not just friends and family.

Lots of people would have been taking photos... it's the age if digital cameras.... it was a holiday.

There must be someone out there with "interesting" pictures.

Sometimes what is not in a picture can paint a thousand words.

by Ladyinred 02.06.19 9:33

I don't think there are any photos of Madeleine on Thursday because she had "disappeared" before then.

by **sharonl** 02.06.19 9:35

BlueBag wrote:I find it difficult to believe that only one photo exists of Madeleine on the Thursday.

I'd like to see all available photos from Thursday... from all sources.... not just friends and family.

Lots of people would have been taking photos... it's the age if digital cameras.... it was a holiday.

There must be someone out there with "interesting" pictures.

Sometimes what is not in a picture can paint a thousand words.

Don't hold your breath on that one. McCann friend, Jim Gamble, head of CEOP at the time, the top cop who had a reference to misssing Madeleine on his website 4 days earlier, made sure that no holidaymakers sent their pics into the official investigation by asking for them to be forwarded to him.

Phil Edmonds, Nephew of "Dame" Margaret Hodge couldn't provide his photographs because he had sent them to the PJ. Obviously he doesn't understand that a digital image remains on camera.

The real last photograph of Madeline is probably the make up pic.

You would really think that if Madeleine really had gone missing and there was a genuine search for her, all the holiday snaps from the McCanns and their friends, and any others that they could get hold of would have been published immediately to help jog the memories of other holiday makers.

by Guest 02.06.19 10:27

What I'm hoping is that there are some people with a conscience out there.

(Not friends and family obviously at this stage... but you never know).

There must be someone.

by **sharonl** 02.06.19 10:48

Maybe we should have put out a request for anyone who was on holiday in PDL that week to send in their photographs. Thats 12 years ago though, so its unlikely that many would have those snaps to hand now.

by **PeterMac** 02.06.19 11:20

Do we really suppose that if there were photos which included Madeleine dated Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, we would not have been shown them already as conclusive proof or something or other.
But we haven't.
From which we may reasonably suppose there are none.
And by extension, that what photos there may show only the McCann parents and the twins.
And those photos have been concealed by Gamble and Control risks for the reasons we can all imagine

Yet again it will only take ONE piece of good evidence . . .
But we are never shown it.

We live in the age of digital photos, and there will still be many thousands downloaded en bloc to people' computers when they got home, and never deleted or sorted.

by **sharonl** 02.06.19 11:35

PeterMac wrote:Do we really suppose that if there were photos which included Madeleine dated Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, we would not have been shown them already as conclusive proof or something or other.
But we haven't.
From which we may reasonably suppose there are none.
And by extension, that what photos there may show only the McCann parents and the twins.
And those photos have been concealed by Gamble and Control risks for the reasons we can all imagine

Yet again it will only take ONE piece of good evidence . . .
But we are never shown it.

We live in the age of digital photos, and there will still be many thousands downloaded en bloc to people' computers when they got home, and never deleted or sorted.

Sorry, I should have added my thoughts on those later photographs after April 29th. If they showed the McCanns in the background, Some of Kate, some of Gerry, some of the twins, all together or even as family of four, and no sign of Madeleine, that would also suggest that she was not around.

by **PeterMac** 02.06.19 13:11

Quite so.
And that may be why we have been shown precisely none of them.
Not a single one.
As with the evidence for 'abduction' all we need is ONE scrap, one tiny indication, one tiny clue, one apparently insignificant detail
But again there is nothing.

What they tried to give us proved to be untrue. Broken shutters, flapping curtains, Chloroform, Tannerman . . .
All of it dismissed.
We are still waiting, 12 years later, for just ONE piece of evidence.
But the Police of 2 Nations, 5 sets of Private Detectives, and hundreds of loyal and paid followers and acolytes cannot produce anything.

by **PeterMac** 02.06.19 13:53

Even the golden opportunity of the Paraiso . . . with the CCTV
has everyone ELSE there, but not the McCann family.
And an over-elaborate story to go with it, involving jogging on loose sand, laughter, shouting, and all the rest.

by **sharonl** 02.06.19 16:36

It was said that Gerry was not into taking photographs, Kate took some pics but the keen photographer in the group was David Payne.

Was it David who took the playground photographs?

Why do we get these photographs from the first day, but nothing after?

Looking at the hundreds of photographs of Madeleine on the internet, it seems that the McCann family were regularly photographing the children, so why no pics on this holiday?

by NickE 02.06.19 16:45

Antother thing I find very suspicious and odd is that there were no photos from inside or in connection to 5A from the McCann's.
Family holiday and not a single photo.

by **sharonl** 02.06.19 17:33

NickE wrote:Antother thing I find very suspicious and odd is that there were no photos from inside or in connection to 5A from the McCann's.
Family holiday and not a single photo.

They were lost during the move, along with all the little arts and crafts that Madeleine made at the creche. nod

How did I do Kate?

by worriedmum 02.06.19 22:35

Verdi wrote:Then you need ask again - why the need to publicize the photograph in the first place?

That aside, I believe this particular photograph has been dissected to the ninth degree leaving little doubt that is was indeed a genuine photograph but only the time and date adjusted to complete the picture - the desired effect.

Sometimes the simplest interpretation and/or explanation is the best..

http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-pool-photo-refuses-to-go-away.html

Sorry, I didn't explain my thoughts very clearly.

Yes I agree with everything you say here, Verdi. My point was that it was not offered at the time as proof Madeleine was really there on Thursday because it showed other information , such as another person in the background, which would not support the alleged time the picture was taken. It was released later to support the idea that it was taken on Thursday, not Sunday, but 'adjustments' had to be made, such as cropping and changing the time data?

by **sharonl** 02.06.19 22:56

The first question the PJ or anyone else would have asked is "was it really that sunny yesterday?"

Three weeks later, there is more chance that they wouldn't have remembered the weather conditions.

by Verdi 02.06.19 23:06

THE INFORMATION SOUGHT IS SOMETIMES UNOBTAINABLE

We need reliable information. Apart from all the searches already undertaken, we must also examine the photos and films taken by the McCann family and their friends. From amongst the onlookers, these images could help to identify a suspicious-looking individual or someone whose attitude might be suspicious. Trivialised since the general use of computers, photography is a source of information which the investigators know not to neglect: each holiday-maker takes, in general, hundreds of photos. The McCanns and their friends who were in Vila da Luz make all of theirs available to the investigators, but none of those dating from the evening of the disappearance help us to understand what happened.

Goncalo Amaral: The Truth of the Lie - Chapter 3

...................

Thursday 10th May 2007

Gerry was taken in to be interviewed while I remained downstairs. I made use of the long wait I anticipated by sitting down with a notebook, pen and my camera, containing dated photographs of the holiday, and trying to write a detailed account of everything that had happened the week before.

MEETING THE PJ

On Sunday 20 May, Gerry left for the UK. [the occasion when the poolside photograph first materialized]

At Monday’s meeting with the British police [Monday 21st? The day Gerry McCann returned to Portugal when the poolside photograph first materialized?], Gerry was told about plans to launch an appeal in the UK aimed at holidaymakers who had been in the Algarve in the weeks leading up to Madeleine’s abduction. They would be encouraged to send in to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection agency any photographs they had taken in which people they didn’t recognize could be seen in the background. CEOP would use facial-recognition software to screen these pictures for known offenders who might have been in the area. To us this seemed a massive step forward, a sign that the unique collaboration between the UK and Portuguese police was beginning to bear some fruit.

madeleine by Kate McCan

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13561p700-media-mayhem-mccann-media-nonsense-of-the-day#402987

by **PeterMac** 03.06.19 7:40

Thursday 10th May. GM Makes statement to PJ "Asked, he clarifies that, with regard to the personal photos already delivered by him to the authorities after the disappearance of his daughter MADELEINE, he has no others in his possession."

Sunday 20th May . GM returns to UK - Travels to Rothley
Monday 21st ?
Tuesday 22nd. GM returns to PdL with Mitchell. Philomena arrives in PdL from Scotland
Wednesday 23rd - Pool photo sent to French Press Agency
Thursday 24th - Pool Photo released by APF to world media,
with the instruction from Mitchell to "Look at the time = look at the date'.
It is widely believed that the time and date in the EXIF Metadata had been altered

Philomena's husband, Tony Rickwood, is a keen amateur astronomer, and an expert in manipulating digital photos

by Guest 03.06.19 10:23

PeterMac wrote:Thursday 24th - Pool Photo released by APF to world media,
with the instruction from Mitchell to "Look at the time = look at the date'.

Is there a source for that CM quote?

A bit suspicious (to say the least) if there is.

In fact with what we now think it's a great ringing bell.

by **PeterMac** 03.06.19 11:32

Sky News: Last Photo Of Madeleine Is Released Thursday May 24, 2007:
“The family of missing Madeleine McCann have released the last known photograph of their daughter before her abduction three weeks ago. The picture shows her smiling and dangling her feet into a swimming pool. Madeleine, who has turned four since her abduction, is shown enjoying her holiday less than eight hours before she was snatched from her bed. The picture was taken by Madeleine's mother Kate, 38, on her own camera. Her daughter is shown smiling, wearing a pink smock top, white shorts and a sun hat as she cools her feet in the swimming pool. The picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm. Less than eight hours later, before 10pm that night, Madeleine disappeared. She had been sleeping in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, when she was abducted…”

by Guest 03.06.19 13:27

Yes I see... emphasis has been placed on the timestamp.

"2.29pm on May 3".

A bit too much (unnecessary) detail... we now know why.

The pudding then gets over-egged... "Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm"

by Guest 03.06.19 13:30

It was obviously text from a press release.

Example: The Bolton News

Taken by Madeleine's mother Kate, aged 38, on her own camera, the picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/1425604.the-last-photo-of-madeleine/

Thanks Peter, I'm even more convinced now we have this right.

by **PeterMac** 03.06.19 14:48

Try
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id280.htm
for the way this time and date were forced down everyone's throats.
Many of the links have been 'whooshed', sadly.
It is of course irrelevant whether the time was 1229, 1329, 1429 or 1529, or any other time over "the luncheon interval".
It was the McCann's and Mitchell's INSISTENCE on it which made people question it,
leading to the result we know.

by NickE 03.06.19 15:14

PeterMac wrote:Sky News: Last Photo Of Madeleine Is Released Thursday May 24, 2007:
“The family of missing Madeleine McCann have released the last known photograph of their daughter before her abduction three weeks ago. The picture shows her smiling and dangling her feet into a swimming pool. Madeleine, who has turned four since her abduction, is shown enjoying her holiday less than eight hours before she was snatched from her bed. The picture was taken by Madeleine's mother Kate, 38, on her own camera. Her daughter is shown smiling, wearing a pink smock top, white shorts and a sun hat as she cools her feet in the swimming pool. The picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm. Less than eight hours later, before 10pm that night, Madeleine disappeared. She had been sleeping in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, when she was abducted…”

Could there've been a possibility that "the one hour out" was a last minute whitewash because she was signed in at creche at 2:30pm?
It's hard to be at two places on the same time.

by **PeterMac** 03.06.19 15:45

No. Because the Lobsters creche sheet says 2:54. (Jellyfish 2.45)

But then Madeleine was also signed out at 5:30 by Kate
who simultaneously was returning from her run and meeting all the family who were already at High Tea, with Gerry,
whilst everyone else, without exception, had been banished to the Paraiso.
It depends on which particular "Version of the truth" you prefer, I suppose.
As you say, hard to be in two places at the same time, but Kate can clearly do it.

To refresh people's memory, 1429 was Solar Zenith - High Noon on that day. 1429 exactly. To the minute.

An amateur asked to change the Metadata to midday might put 1200
A knowledgable astronomer would put 1429
Tony Rickwood is a knowledgable astronomer.

The important bit is not the time, it is the date.
The picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3

by NickE 03.06.19 17:54

Okay, I was convinced that the last two numbers was a badly written "3" and "0".

by Verdi 03.06.19 18:13

Rumour has it that the 'last photograph' was first promoted on the original FindMadeleine official website. This is a distinct possibility as Gerry McCann was said to have returned to the UK to finalise the campaign detail - amongst other reasons.

MADELEINE’S OFFICIAL “LAST PHOTO”

On Thursday May 3, 2007 at 2:29pm, Kate McCann took a photo of husband Gerry and daughters Amelie and Madeleine. On the first version of the official Find Madeleine website we were told:

Another look at the Last photo - Page 38 Scree112

I can't vouch for this information as the original source is elusive.

Whatever, it doesn't make much difference. Fact remains, the time and date of the photograph was emphasised when published for the first time.

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