Mccanns Holiday Villa

by davemchol 27.02.13 18:35

Hi Im new here forgive me if this has been asked before, How far was the Mccanns holiday home from the actual apartment where Maddie disappeared?. Just asking this as Im curious due to the fact of the sniffer dog finding a cadaver scent in the boot of the car?

by Guest 27.02.13 19:10

FYI Basic facts on Madeleine. She reportedly disappeared from the McCann's rented holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, the evening of May 3, 2007. So that was their "holiday home". Early July 2007 they moved into a rented villa [without Madeleine, of course]. They hired a car [enlarged Renault Scenic] 3 weeks after Madeleine went reportedly missing. Specialised British sniffer dogs [an EVRD and a CSI] were brought in end of July, early August [sorry, don't have time to verify exact dates] and detected scent of cadaver and blood in the McCann's previous rented apartment, the rented villa and the rented car.

If you need more information, don't hesitate to ask, or read this forum's various threads, other fora and blogs dedicated to the case and the translated version of the PJ [Portuguese Police] reports on their investigation.

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by Inspectorfrost 27.02.13 19:14

Hello Dave.

Here is a map. Use it in hybrid mode. Enlarge until you can see the street names. You will spot the birdseye view of the apartments above the oval swimming pool and the tennis court below that to the left.

Rua Dr Fransisco Gentil Martin is the road near apartment 5a

Then scroll to the left until you see Rua da Flores. That is the address for the villa.

Some clever clog can figure out how to measure the distance.

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by davemchol 27.02.13 19:21

Thanks to you both for your help, so if the cadaver dogs were correct then Maddie has indeed been in the boot of that car. Would be interesting to see the Mccanns movements in the first few days of being located at the rented villa. Another thing that baffles me, if I read correctly the dogs found a scent on Kate Mccanns clothing yet it was passed off due to her being in contact with corpses at her work. How many people take their work clothes on a family holiday?

by Inspectorfrost 27.02.13 19:26

davemchol wrote:Thanks to you both for your help, so if the cadaver dogs were correct then Maddie has indeed been in the boot of that car. Would be interesting to see the Mccanns movements in the first few days of being located at the rented villa. Another thing that baffles me, if I read correctly the dogs found a scent on Kate Mccanns clothing yet it was passed off due to her being in contact with corpses at her work. How many people take their work clothes on a family holiday?

What has the distance of the two residences got to do with anything in the boot of the car, I'm bit confused here,sorry.

by davemchol 27.02.13 19:49

Am I getting confused did they have more than one hire car? Just theorising that as a witness has said that the boot was open at the rented villa and a death scent of Maddie was found in the rented villa and the car boot, then surely her body has been transported from an original location near the Ocean Club to an unknown location.

by Inspectorfrost 27.02.13 20:13

davemchol wrote:Am I getting confused did they have more than one hire car? Just theorising that as a witness has said that the boot was open at the rented villa and a death scent of Maddie was found in the rented villa and the car boot, then surely her body has been transported from an original location near the Ocean Club to an unknown location.

They had one hire car rented late May when they were living in their second apartment at the Ocean Club which they moved into straight after 4th May or so. That apartment was searched by the cadaver dog and nothing was found. If Madeleine's body was moved in the car it was from somewhere else post late May. But I don't think it has been established as 100% fact that the car was used to do anything like this as it seems the cadaver dog could have alerting to dry blood, as he does that too, on the key fob, as Keela also did, and which partly matched GMs. Then again it is not 100% either.

The dog may have been alerting to a general scent of death that seeped out of the side door, whose seal would be alot weaker than the boot seal as he didnt react to that. It could be he also alerted to the key fob of the car separately when tested again. There is no way to know from all the info we have whether it was one or the other or both.

PS the cadaver dog didn't alert to the villa but to items at the villa, ie the soft toy and KMs clothes and a child's t-shirt.

by davemchol 27.02.13 20:25

Ok thanks for your reply, may i ask our theory on what happened to Maddie

by Inspectorfrost 27.02.13 21:06

davemchol wrote:Ok thanks for your reply, may i ask our theory on what happened to Maddie

I dont have a theory, theories are not my forte, IMO her parents have lied through their teeth from day one to year on year, but I dont know why,how opened mind is that!!

I think they are both crooks

Theyhave a case to answer but no authority is asking them to answer
YET

I gave them the benefit of the doubt for ages despite doubts, but after KM published her horrid book there is no way on this planet I will ever goback on the fence,ever

The other strong indicator of guilt is the dog evidence and how hard they tried to trash the dogs, and failed at every turn, well, thats after gerry said he asked them to be brought inha ha
big grin

You know what? their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said there will always be an innocent explanation for anything that is found or not found, well, that set the stage of spin and didn't it? Always see the innocent side first to everything, well CM, thats fair enough but it doeang wash really, inthis case. All that G and M to do is an HONEST interview, with no scripted questions and answers, then we might start to consider if we believe them, how hard can it be? nothing to hide? Then nothing to hide. Then you may have a chance of shutting people up questioning, if there were no more questions being asked
big grin

pigs will fly I suppose

PS Pls note all major institutions and connections involved in crime or corruption are being crumbled at the moment and its only just started

by davemchol 27.02.13 21:20

I wonder if the dogs have been used since Portugal, would like to hear how successful they have been. I just find the whole situation strange to say the least the more I read the more they look guilty. For me i think KM not answering the 40 odd question tells me that something isnt right. Surely if your child goes missing you would help the police 100%. Also washing various things such as the toy? and explaining it away as having taken it to work with her. Wasnt the toy Maddies favourite? why take it if that was the case?

by davemchol 27.02.13 21:23

also could the decision with the Amaral case be the beginning of the end for them? Have they offered Amaral an out of court settlement?

by Inspectorfrost 27.02.13 21:29

davemchol wrote:I wonder if the dogs have been used since Portugal, would like to hear how successful they have been. I just find the whole situation strange to say the least the more I read the more they look guilty. For me i think KM not answering the 40 odd question tells me that something isnt right. Surely if your child goes missing you would help the police 100%. Also washing various things such as the toy? and explaining it away as having taken it to work with her. Wasnt the toy Maddies favourite? why take it if that was the case?

There is NO problem with the dogs. They have been successfully used in many cases before and after theMccann case. Both inthe UK and other countries. They only got discreditedby the Mccanns and by some quarters in the conteoversial Jersey child abuse case theyear after, none before and none after

The cover up is here in the UK

by davemchol 27.02.13 21:33

thought that be the answer as regards to the dogs, so do you hink the Portugese are ikely to reopen the enquiry?

by Inspectorfrost 27.02.13 21:45

davemchol wrote:thought that be the answer as regards to the dogs, so do you hink the Portugese are ikely to reopen the enquiry?

pass

it would be good if they did with sy, they have a crime to solve, hope they get on with it, together, withNO INTERFERANCE

If it is true that gordon brown interfered and perverted the course of justice someone should hVe his bol,ox shouldnt they?

by rainbow-fairy 28.02.13 2:23

Just to clarify re Eddie's alerts -

I'm rubbish at finding links being on a phone in a poor signal area, but I know candyfloss has posted it ad nauseum sorry candyfloss!!! but it is HIGHLY unlikely Eddie was alerting to blood, hence why Keela is brought in after Eddie. Whilst Eddie can sniff out blood (as can ANY dog) his training meant he gave a vocal alert (ie bark) when he detected cadaver scent, not blood
Keela would then be brought in to check for biological matter ie blood, and her alert is freezing over the EXACT spot, no bark, hence no real confusion over what was scented where, this also explains why Eddie alerted in places Keela did not, ie cadaver scent without blood. Had Eddie been alerting to blood, with their success rate they would've BOTH alerted to the EXACT same places.
As it is, the places they DID both alert at are extremely indicative.
I believe this is all in Martin Grimes' report, however if candyfloss reads this and I'm wrong maybe you could post the correct link? TIA roses